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Alternative view point: other browsers on ios would actually force apple to compete and make designing for safari not a cluster fuck. How exactly do you want e

Alternative view point: other browsers on ios would actually force apple to compete and make designing for safari not a cluster fuck. How exactly do you want engineers who don't have an apple computer or phone to test for safari?

Spivak 5y ago
Compete on what though? Every web developer right now has no choice but to design for Chrome as well. You just don't care because it's what you would have chosen anyway. There's no "competition" in the browser engine space. There's only posturing for market share dominance and lock-in which you can call competition if you like, but nobody is competing based on "may the browser users like best win."
- aaomidi 5y ago
  Browser specs are actually pretty well communicated. Most stuff get buy in from major players in the game (e.g. Google and Mozilla). Some stuff remain specific to one browser (e.g. idle detection in Chrome). Apple is the one that has consistently been either extremely behind on new functionality, or just broken implementation of existing functionality (basic auth on mobile safari comes to mind). And again, my main issue is that there is no way to test on Safari without owning Apple hardware.
  - tored 5y ago
    True, but if I want to test Chrome I need to install spyware on my computer. ( I'm aware of Chromium releases)
    - rejhgadellaa 5y ago
      So.. you're saying you can use (pure) Chromium or Brave, Edge, etc, to test, right? Not sure what your point is, because you're immediately saying you know there are alternatives :)
      - tored 5y ago
        Point is that Google is not a saint for following web standards.
- jakelazaroff 5y ago
  Compete on standards adherence? Look at how many features are either only partially supported or totally unsupported on Safari vs. other browsers: https://caniuse.com/?compare=firefox+94,chrome+97,safari+15,ios_saf+15,android+93,and_chr+93,and_ff+92 https://caniuse.com/?compare=firefox+94,chrome+97,safari+15,...

Spivak 5y ago

Compete on what though? Every web developer right now has no choice but to design for Chrome as well. You just don't care because it's what you would have chosen anyway. There's no "competition" in the browser engine space. There's only posturing for market share dominance and lock-in which you can call competition if you like, but nobody is competing based on "may the browser users like best win."

aaomidi 5y ago
Browser specs are actually pretty well communicated. Most stuff get buy in from major players in the game (e.g. Google and Mozilla). Some stuff remain specific to one browser (e.g. idle detection in Chrome). Apple is the one that has consistently been either extremely behind on new functionality, or just broken implementation of existing functionality (basic auth on mobile safari comes to mind). And again, my main issue is that there is no way to test on Safari without owning Apple hardware.
- tored 5y ago
  True, but if I want to test Chrome I need to install spyware on my computer. ( I'm aware of Chromium releases)
  - rejhgadellaa 5y ago
    So.. you're saying you can use (pure) Chromium or Brave, Edge, etc, to test, right? Not sure what your point is, because you're immediately saying you know there are alternatives :)
    - tored 5y ago
      Point is that Google is not a saint for following web standards.
jakelazaroff 5y ago
Compete on standards adherence? Look at how many features are either only partially supported or totally unsupported on Safari vs. other browsers: https://caniuse.com/?compare=firefox+94,chrome+97,safari+15,ios_saf+15,android+93,and_chr+93,and_ff+92 https://caniuse.com/?compare=firefox+94,chrome+97,safari+15,...