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The biggest thing shooting Tesla in the foot is plug standard. Eventually, they'll have to adopt CCS in the US and switch over their chargers. Gas stations are
by ethbr0 5y ago
The biggest thing shooting Tesla in the foot is plug standard. Eventually, they'll have to adopt CCS in the US and switch over their chargers.
Gas stations aren't iPhone power adapters. You can't sell more cars than GM + Toyota + Ford + Stellantis + Honda + Hyundai + Nissan. And eventually, they're all going to convert most of their lines to electric.
At which point, new charger installs use the standard. At which point, customers start asking whether they'd buy a car with a standard charger, or a Tesla.
- aksss 5y agoSounds like there's a market for a Tesla dongle
- Rebelgecko 5y agoYou'd also have to figure out how to circumvent the Supercharger station's DRM
- natch 5y agoIt’s not so much DRM as authentication, seamless zero-user-interaction payment, safety, and charging protocols. You’d also need a Tesla account with a credit card on file, and the ability for your vehicle to identify itself as the vehicle associated with that account. Or… Tesla might just make it happen, in the future.
- bobthepanda 5y agoI feel like they will. Eventually, the market for EV will be so large that they may as well try and get everyone they can on the chargers, the same way that iTunes on Windows was primarily to grab a huge chunk of the digital music market.
- pmorici 5y agoSupposedly Tesla already has one but they barely have capacity for there own fleet let alone everyone else’s and they are building superchargers at a rapid pace
- clouddrover 5y agoTesla switching to CCS would mean their customers get 4,683 extra charging locations without having to buy an adapter: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html Kind of a no-brainer for Tesla to switch to CCS.
- pmorici 5y agoThe other charge networks are notoriously bad and many of them already support Tesla’s native plug.
- natch 5y agoNo thanks, I prefer faster superchargers. But it’s handy that it’s possible to use pretty much every other charger, not to mention any outlet, as a backup when needed, or when sleeping for that matter.
- clouddrover 5y ago> I prefer faster superchargers. Teslas charge faster on CCS: https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-faster-ccs2/ https://insideevs.com/news/507489/tesla-model3-charging-fast...
- natch 5y agoA little bit of how to lie with statistics there, but yes for certain Tesla models in certain continents using certain rare ultrafast versions of CCS2 with a certain state of charge, there is a certain window of time where the speed may slightly exceed certain Tesla superchargers (the current fastest version, admittedly, but faster ones are coming). I'd gladly use any charger, if it's what is available, but do prefer Superchargers for their faster speed (although yes, there is that edge case you pointed to) and for the community of friendly fellow Tesla owners that you sometimes run into there.
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- clouddrover 5y agoThat will charge slower and be an extra thing to buy and carry around. It's better to have a CCS plug on the charger and a CCS inlet on the car. All other EV manufacturers have standardized on CCS in North America so there's not much value in Tesla not going CCS at this point. Doubly so because Tesla is supposed to be opening up its network to other brands: https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharger-elon-musk-open-network-charging-stations https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/28/22596337/tesla-supercharg...
- natch 5y agoYes for non-Teslas.
- maxerickson 5y agoShouldn't it be a few hundred dollars to have both? (not that it's a good outcome, just feasible and not all that expensive)
- jussij 5y agoI also suspect regions like the EU will force Tesla to comply with a standard plug, not unlike how the EU is currently in the process of forcing Apple to standardize on it's iPhone charger connector.
- durkie 5y agothey already do. EU Tesla's have a different (and standard plug) compared to North American Teslas
- crazysim 5y agoI thought EU was already forcing CCS for Tesla?
- Reason077 5y agoThere is no rule that requires car makers to use CCS in Europe. Just the charging network providers. Nissan and Lexus are still selling brand new EVs with the CHAdeMO connector.
- clouddrover 5y agoTesla switched to CCS in Europe a couple of years ago: https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-now-retrofitted-with-ccs-plugs-in-europe-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/343728/most-tesla-superchargers-n...
- simondotau 5y agoTesla switched to CCS in Australia without being forced by our government. Completely voluntary. IMHO Tesla shouldn’t just ship a dongle. They should put CCS + Tesla plugs in the charge port of all new North American vehicles. Even if the latter is hidden behind a second manual door. They already put dual sockets on Teslas in other world markets, so it’s totally doable.
- Reason077 5y agoTesla does not have vehicles with dual DC charging sockets anywhere. In China you see two plugs, but that's because one of them is for AC charging (China's gender-reversed Type 2 connector) and the other is for DC charging (China GB/T connector). It's somewhat difficult and costly to put multiple DC charging sockets on a vehicle because you need additional high-voltage switches/relays and cabling. Each DC socket must be interlocked and isolated while the other is in use.
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- pmorici 5y agoEvery US Tesla comes with a ccs adapter. Zero chance that any material segment of customer makes a buying decision based on the shape of the charge port connector.
- jeffbee 5y agoSince when? I've never seen one and there are threads on Tesla owners' forums from literally minutes ago where people are still discussing the lack of factory adapters for J1772/CCS1.
- pmorici 5y agoMine came with one in 2019. Never use it. There are at least 4 different J1772 plug types though so probably one of the others is what people are missing. The Tesla connection is slim and sleek compared to the ccs boat anchors
- clouddrover 5y agoI think you're confusing the J1772 plug with CCS Type 1 Combo. The combo plug has J1772 on top and two extra contacts on the bottom for DC fast charging: https://interchargers.com/plug/type-1/ https://interchargers.com/plug/type-1/
- Retric 5y agoThis is CSS type 2 and supports up to 142 kW fast charging. https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/charging-connectors https://www.tesla.com/en_EU/support/charging-connectors This is the US j1772 that’s limited to 19.2kW. https://shop.tesla.com/product/sae-j1772-charging-adapter https://shop.tesla.com/product/sae-j1772-charging-adapter
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- Server6 5y agoPersonally the biggest thing holding me back from buying a non-Tesla is the Supercharging network. Infrastructure for any other manufacture isn't there yet and its going to be a few more years before anything else is as good.
- WorldMaker 5y agoElectrify America is up to 600+ stations and covers much of the same key interstates as the Tesla network did when it was considered "good enough" for cross-country driving: https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locate-charger/ https://www.electrifyamerica.com/locate-charger/ With the massive infusions of cash from VW's "dieselgate" EPA settlement, Electrify America has been moving very quickly, and it should feel useful today. Electrify America is still way more complicated than Tesla's network (in part because it still supports both CCS for everything new and ChaDeMo mostly in the US just for old Nissan Leafs) and still has a lot of room to grow, but as a network it is still very usable today not just years from now.
- mixmastamyk 5y agoHave read on this site that the charging experience is great at Tesla at quite poor everywhere else.
- natch 5y agoTeslas can use standard chargers. And also superchargers.
- jupp0r 5y agoAt which point, they'll make an adapter like Apple does.