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No one's is claiming the US is anywhere near perfect, but the question is do we let China win or the US. And if that question doesn't have an obvious answer to

by km3r 5y ago

No one's is claiming the US is anywhere near perfect, but the question is do we let China win or the US. And if that question doesn't have an obvious answer to you, you just haven't been paying attention. We have more freedom, more rights, and aren't actively genociding minority populations. We have our flaws, and we absolutely should strive to be better, but I would much rather be under American rule than China.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
The US got off with 100 years of IP theft in the 19th century. Now the door should be closed to keep anyone else from doing the same?
- gtirloni 5y ago
  Yes? Why perpetuate a bad thing?
  - betterunix2 5y ago
    The concept of "intellectual property" is a novel myth circulated by the industries that benefit from it, and it always has been. There was a time before copyrights, and I personally think we are already living in a post-copyright age (and, for all their complaining, the major copyright industries seem to agree -- why else pursue things like DRM?). Some future generation is going to be scratching their heads trying to figure out why this current generation wasted so much time, effort, and money trying to stop everyone from using the most effective copying machines ever conceived of to make copies of things.
    - fortuna86 5y ago
      Except for now when China is done stealing and has something to protect, they are all about it. https://www.ft.com/content/c78b69e3-82bd-4f72-881c-12b2ca1ce926 https://www.ft.com/content/c78b69e3-82bd-4f72-881c-12b2ca1ce...
      - Fricken 5y ago
        Have you heard of Sam Slater, the father of the American factory system? He's a hero in America for stealing IP from Britain, where he was known as "Slater the Traitor"
        fortuna86 5y ago
        Have you heard of Louis Pasteur? He discovered Germ Theory in 1861. This man or his legacy is of course is not what we're talking about, which is why I bring it up. To change the subject.
- ineedasername 5y ago
  Large scale international IP Treaties weren't really a thing until the near the end of the the 19th century, so "theft" isn't really the correct term when there were no agreements or laws governing trans-national IP rights. Those agreements really only got started with the Berne Convention-- mainly creative works-- and the Paris Convention-- basically industrial patents. (Yes there were some other smaller agreements before, but these brought things into much larger scale with many, many more signatories to the agreements) Besides, your line of reasoning amounts to "Other people got away with bad things so it's not fair that I do to" As a parent, I spot that line of logic often in with my kids, and it doesn't hold together very well there either.

by km3r 5y ago

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

The US got off with 100 years of IP theft in the 19th century. Now the door should be closed to keep anyone else from doing the same?

gtirloni 5y ago
Yes? Why perpetuate a bad thing?
- betterunix2 5y ago
  The concept of "intellectual property" is a novel myth circulated by the industries that benefit from it, and it always has been. There was a time before copyrights, and I personally think we are already living in a post-copyright age (and, for all their complaining, the major copyright industries seem to agree -- why else pursue things like DRM?). Some future generation is going to be scratching their heads trying to figure out why this current generation wasted so much time, effort, and money trying to stop everyone from using the most effective copying machines ever conceived of to make copies of things.
  - fortuna86 5y ago
    Except for now when China is done stealing and has something to protect, they are all about it. https://www.ft.com/content/c78b69e3-82bd-4f72-881c-12b2ca1ce926 https://www.ft.com/content/c78b69e3-82bd-4f72-881c-12b2ca1ce...
    - Fricken 5y ago
      Have you heard of Sam Slater, the father of the American factory system? He's a hero in America for stealing IP from Britain, where he was known as "Slater the Traitor"
      - fortuna86 5y ago
        Have you heard of Louis Pasteur? He discovered Germ Theory in 1861. This man or his legacy is of course is not what we're talking about, which is why I bring it up. To change the subject.
ineedasername 5y ago
Large scale international IP Treaties weren't really a thing until the near the end of the the 19th century, so "theft" isn't really the correct term when there were no agreements or laws governing trans-national IP rights. Those agreements really only got started with the Berne Convention-- mainly creative works-- and the Paris Convention-- basically industrial patents. (Yes there were some other smaller agreements before, but these brought things into much larger scale with many, many more signatories to the agreements) Besides, your line of reasoning amounts to "Other people got away with bad things so it's not fair that I do to" As a parent, I spot that line of logic often in with my kids, and it doesn't hold together very well there either.