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Implying that people can't be hard working because "look, there's this other job that seems like it's harder" is just... I don't even know what. As for the str

Implying that people can't be hard working because "look, there's this other job that seems like it's harder" is just... I don't even know what. As for the struggling part, if you control for cost of living the picture is going to look a lot different.

ethbr0 5y ago
Incidence rates (per 100 full-time worker equivalents) of nonfatal occupational injuries and illnesses by industry and case types, cases with days away from work, 2019 [0] Fishing? 3.0 Bituminous coal underground mining? 3.0 Framing contractors? 4.5 Soft drink manufacturing? 4.8 Leather and hide tanning and finishing? 7.1 Computer systems design and related services? 0.1 Fatal injury rates fall along the same lines [1], and programmers commit suicide at less than 1/2 the rate of high risk occupations [2]. There's a difference between going home mentally exhausted, and being unable to go into work because your body is that injured. Or to put it another way: if you were offered your equivalent salary, would you go fish Alaskan king crab or join a logging crew tomorrow? [0] https://www.bls.gov/web/osh/summ1_00.htm https://www.bls.gov/web/osh/summ1_00.htm (Table 1) https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/cd_r4_2019.htm https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/cd_r4_2019.htm (Table R4) [1] https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0332.htm https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0332.htm (Table A-5, Fatal incident counts by occupation) https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-injuries/civilian-occupations-with-high-fatal-work-injury-rates.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju... (Occupations with the highest rates) [2] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6903a1-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6903a1-H.pdf (Suicide Rates by Industry and Occupation, 2016)
- cafard 5y ago
  I don't know that "hard-working" has generally been used to mean "working at hard physical labor". I have not been hard-working in that sense since the age of about twenty, the occasional home or volunteer project excepted. Having said that, would you settle for "diligent"?
  - ethbr0 5y ago
    I struggle to find a term that allows for an equality between what I do on a daily basis, and what a fisherman does. Somehow, 'different but equal in effort' just doesn't seem accurate. Which isn't to say that we aren't putting in work, or doing our best, or burning the candle, or creating amazing things. You can do all of those things, and still not have as difficult a job as someone else. Because all work isn't the same. And so I take a chunk of umbrage at whinging about the unfairness that we make so little while doing so much. "... struggle through and at best maybe make a decent living..." is a pretty damned entitled way to see the world.
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    - cl0ne 5y ago
      Difficulty of a job is probably viewed differently from person to person also. I've done both programming and commercial fishing and I'd say they take different types of effort. Depending on the fishery, you could have a few months with lots of intense physical work and not much sleep, but the plus side is you get to work out on the ocean in a beautiful environment and you can travel around and not work for the rest of the year. One tech job I had, I was on call 24/7 with hours of commuting each day and it was very stressful and mentally tiring in my experience.
  - aksss 5y ago
    Hard-working (i.e. working hard) does not exclusively mean "working at hard physical labor". You are not insane.
danrocks 5y ago
It is a logical fallacy known as Relative Privation: https://academy4sc.org/video/fallacy-of-relative-privation-all-problems-are-relative/ https://academy4sc.org/video/fallacy-of-relative-privation-a...

ethbr0 5y ago

Incidence rates (per 100 full-time worker equivalents) of nonfatal occupational injuries and illnesses by industry and case types, cases with days away from work, 2019 [0] Fishing? 3.0 Bituminous coal underground mining? 3.0 Framing contractors? 4.5 Soft drink manufacturing? 4.8 Leather and hide tanning and finishing? 7.1 Computer systems design and related services? 0.1 Fatal injury rates fall along the same lines [1], and programmers commit suicide at less than 1/2 the rate of high risk occupations [2]. There's a difference between going home mentally exhausted, and being unable to go into work because your body is that injured. Or to put it another way: if you were offered your equivalent salary, would you go fish Alaskan king crab or join a logging crew tomorrow? [0] https://www.bls.gov/web/osh/summ1_00.htm https://www.bls.gov/web/osh/summ1_00.htm (Table 1) https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/cd_r4_2019.htm https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/osh/case/cd_r4_2019.htm (Table R4) [1] https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0332.htm https://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/cftb0332.htm (Table A-5, Fatal incident counts by occupation) https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-injuries/civilian-occupations-with-high-fatal-work-injury-rates.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju... (Occupations with the highest rates) [2] https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6903a1-H.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6903a1-H.pdf (Suicide Rates by Industry and Occupation, 2016)

cafard 5y ago
I don't know that "hard-working" has generally been used to mean "working at hard physical labor". I have not been hard-working in that sense since the age of about twenty, the occasional home or volunteer project excepted. Having said that, would you settle for "diligent"?
- ethbr0 5y ago
  I struggle to find a term that allows for an equality between what I do on a daily basis, and what a fisherman does. Somehow, 'different but equal in effort' just doesn't seem accurate. Which isn't to say that we aren't putting in work, or doing our best, or burning the candle, or creating amazing things. You can do all of those things, and still not have as difficult a job as someone else. Because all work isn't the same. And so I take a chunk of umbrage at whinging about the unfairness that we make so little while doing so much. "... struggle through and at best maybe make a decent living..." is a pretty damned entitled way to see the world.
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  - cl0ne 5y ago
    Difficulty of a job is probably viewed differently from person to person also. I've done both programming and commercial fishing and I'd say they take different types of effort. Depending on the fishery, you could have a few months with lots of intense physical work and not much sleep, but the plus side is you get to work out on the ocean in a beautiful environment and you can travel around and not work for the rest of the year. One tech job I had, I was on call 24/7 with hours of commuting each day and it was very stressful and mentally tiring in my experience.
- aksss 5y ago
  Hard-working (i.e. working hard) does not exclusively mean "working at hard physical labor". You are not insane.

danrocks 5y ago

It is a logical fallacy known as Relative Privation: https://academy4sc.org/video/fallacy-of-relative-privation-all-problems-are-relative/ https://academy4sc.org/video/fallacy-of-relative-privation-a...