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The US has never proved that there is any kind of Chinese surveillance going on with Huawei equipment. Lying and anti-market strategies seem to be the tool of c

The US has never proved that there is any kind of Chinese surveillance going on with Huawei equipment. Lying and anti-market strategies seem to be the tool of choice of the US government to block the advance of societies that are not deemed to be part of their empire.

xster 5y ago
The NSA has been hacking Huawei for years. If it had anything concrete, it would have shared it years ago rather than forcing its NATO allies to dump Huawei based on vagueries like "I know we wiretapped your chancellor, but trust us, Huawei is evil, we're just not going to prove it to you". https://www.computerworld.com/article/2488962/nsa-hacked-into-servers-at-huawei-headquarters--reports-say.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2488962/nsa-hacked-int...
- _jal 5y ago
  > If it had anything concrete, it would have shared it years ago 1) This is the NSA. They only talk when attention serves their goals. 2) They may well have, just not with you. We have no idea what conversations have happened amongst NATO members (let alone among 5 Eyes).
  - trasz 5y ago
    We do know for fact that GCHQ called NSA’s backdoor claims bullshit.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  > we're just not going to prove it to you How do you know there is no proof? Unlike some dimwitted administrators, the US doesn't have a policy of disclosing actively classified information.
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jjcon 5y ago
I don't think anyone needs to prove malfeasance here - a threat to national security doesn't require wrongdoing, only the existence of attack vectors by a foreign hostile nation/entity. Publishing those attack vectors would be a hilariously terrible idea as it would have ramifications in every country with Huawei in its infrastructure. Plenty of products are deemed essential and produced domestically or only by close allies, this goes for just about every country, I'm not sure why communications infrastructure is somehow different.
- MichaelZuo 5y ago
  The US already has secret and higher security internet networks for the communication that is deemed ‘essential’. And I would bet there are no products that have not gone thorough vetting deployed on those networks.
fouric 5y ago
There is a very large amount of evidence that the CCP can and does exert its influence to "encourage" vendors to support its policies, such as the censorship of terms like "Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence", and "democracy movement" on consumer-grade hardware[1]. If Xiaomi's consumer-facing devices are subject to this, that suggests that Huawei's enterprise-facing products are subject to the same. Moreover, they're not doing something like forbidding Chinese-made devices to be sold in the US - instead, they're providing a program to reimburse telecoms for replacing Chinese-made networking hardware - and for national security reasons, which (as other commentators have correctly pointed out) does not require proof (or even accusations) of a backdoor in order to be valid - you can merely be concerned about your supply chain for critical infrastructure. Furthermore, if the government had discovered a backdoor, there's a strong incentive for it to keep that knowledge hidden, as revealing the nature of the backdoor (or which one they found, if there are several) would give an advantage to those who placed it there. > Lying and anti-market strategies seem to be the tool of choice of the US government to block the advance of societies that are not deemed to be part of their empire. As a matter of fact, your whole comment is illogical flamebait that does not deserve to be on HN. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-says-throw-away-chinese-phones-due-censorship-concerns-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-say...

xster 5y ago

The NSA has been hacking Huawei for years. If it had anything concrete, it would have shared it years ago rather than forcing its NATO allies to dump Huawei based on vagueries like "I know we wiretapped your chancellor, but trust us, Huawei is evil, we're just not going to prove it to you". https://www.computerworld.com/article/2488962/nsa-hacked-into-servers-at-huawei-headquarters--reports-say.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/2488962/nsa-hacked-int...

_jal 5y ago
> If it had anything concrete, it would have shared it years ago 1) This is the NSA. They only talk when attention serves their goals. 2) They may well have, just not with you. We have no idea what conversations have happened amongst NATO members (let alone among 5 Eyes).
- trasz 5y ago
  We do know for fact that GCHQ called NSA’s backdoor claims bullshit.
kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
> we're just not going to prove it to you How do you know there is no proof? Unlike some dimwitted administrators, the US doesn't have a policy of disclosing actively classified information.

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jjcon 5y ago

I don't think anyone needs to prove malfeasance here - a threat to national security doesn't require wrongdoing, only the existence of attack vectors by a foreign hostile nation/entity. Publishing those attack vectors would be a hilariously terrible idea as it would have ramifications in every country with Huawei in its infrastructure. Plenty of products are deemed essential and produced domestically or only by close allies, this goes for just about every country, I'm not sure why communications infrastructure is somehow different.

MichaelZuo 5y ago
The US already has secret and higher security internet networks for the communication that is deemed ‘essential’. And I would bet there are no products that have not gone thorough vetting deployed on those networks.

fouric 5y ago

There is a very large amount of evidence that the CCP can and does exert its influence to "encourage" vendors to support its policies, such as the censorship of terms like "Free Tibet", "Long live Taiwan independence", and "democracy movement" on consumer-grade hardware[1]. If Xiaomi's consumer-facing devices are subject to this, that suggests that Huawei's enterprise-facing products are subject to the same. Moreover, they're not doing something like forbidding Chinese-made devices to be sold in the US - instead, they're providing a program to reimburse telecoms for replacing Chinese-made networking hardware - and for national security reasons, which (as other commentators have correctly pointed out) does not require proof (or even accusations) of a backdoor in order to be valid - you can merely be concerned about your supply chain for critical infrastructure. Furthermore, if the government had discovered a backdoor, there's a strong incentive for it to keep that knowledge hidden, as revealing the nature of the backdoor (or which one they found, if there are several) would give an advantage to those who placed it there. > Lying and anti-market strategies seem to be the tool of choice of the US government to block the advance of societies that are not deemed to be part of their empire. As a matter of fact, your whole comment is illogical flamebait that does not deserve to be on HN. [1] https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-says-throw-away-chinese-phones-due-censorship-concerns-2021-09-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/lithuania-say...