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You're going to have to clarify what you're talking about. These claims I've tended to find actually confuse several issues and misconstrue reality, intentional
by cletus 5y ago
You're going to have to clarify what you're talking about. These claims I've tended to find actually confuse several issues and misconstrue reality, intentionally or unintentionally.
For example, the US has the FISA courts with all that entails (eg National Security Letters, pen registers). There is a legal framework for this whether you like it or not. My personal view is that the whole FISA system is overreach open to abuse that lacks transparency. But at least Federal judges are still involved in the process.
Or are you talking about something else? Something extrajudicial perhaps?
For example, countries (including the US) use allied intelligence agencies as an end run around their own laws. The NSA has certain restrictions on spying on US citizens that, say, Germany or Israel do not. So the NSA can get counterparts to do their dirty work and in turn the NSA does their dirty work.
Is that what you mean? If so, what's the relevance here? If not, then what?
- thefounder 5y agoI think you've been away in the last 10-15 years.
- encryptluks2 5y agoEither that or part of the same PsyOp groups in Israel that frequently try to discredit anything negative about their country.
- _jal 5y agoOddly, you're trying to challenge a claim about covert technical intelligence mechanisms with descriptions of legal mechanisms governing surveillance. That's like responding to complaints about trespassing with the legal code governing rentals. In any case, we do have examples of exactly what the gp is talking about. For instance, this one, which subsequently backfired: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-02/juniper-mystery-attacks-traced-to-pentagon-role-and-chinese-hackers https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-09-02/juniper-m...
- cwkoss 5y ago> The NSA has certain restrictions on spying on US citizens that, say, Germany or Israel do not. So the NSA can get counterparts to do their dirty work and in turn the NSA does their dirty work. The Snowden revelations made it clear that those regulations are toothless, unenforced, and effectively just propaganda.