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> And how do you [reconcile extreme green policy goals with income losses for the poorest]? There are no answers given usually, less so convincingly, mostly be
by woodpanel 5y ago
> And how do you [reconcile extreme green policy goals with income losses for the poorest]?
There are no answers given usually, less so convincingly, mostly because the ones demanding scarcity are usually not the ones affected by it.
Just trying to find one member of the working class / blue collar amongst ExtencionRebllion and the like will be a tedious task. Not so much if you look for kids of millionaires, or of bilionaires. Or Millionaires and Billionaires themselves.
As of now I can only see two outcomes:
They either start making these scarcity demands a part of their foreign policy (meaning getting tough on the actual global polluters, not their domestic poor people who barely can afford one cheap vacation to the Balears per year).
Or we just start naming what we would have called it 150 years ago: A top-down class-war.
- HWR_14 5y agoI don't know how to parse what you're saying at all. There are tons of working class people worried about climate change and it's pretty trivial to design systems that increase the income for the poorest while being green. Meanwhile your "ExtinctionRebellion" phrase seems like a political touchstone that you assume other people know what you're talking about, but I have no clue what it is.
- Lammy 5y agoThe Smart People in the USA realized population growth was a Bad Thing Actually™ and got really into saving the environment in the mid-1960s after we ended racism and poverty forever and needed something even more noble to do: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=segregationist%2Cenvironmentalist&year_start=1950&year_end=2000&corpus=17&smoothing=2 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=segregationist... edit: https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=13 https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED050960.pdf#page=13 "We have all heard about a population problem in the developing nations of Asia, Africa and Latin America, where death rates have dropped rapidly and populations have exploded. Only recently have we recognized that the United States may have population problems of its own. There are differing views. Some say that it is a problem of crisis proportions — that the growth of population is responsible for pollution of our air and water, depletion of our natural resources, and a broad array of social ills." SUBTLE
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion_Youth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction_Rebellion_Youth [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_Strike_for_Climate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_Strike_for_Climate Her Holyness [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Thunberg from 1968 [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome and 1972 from that same club [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Limits_to_Growth and countless dystopian science-fiction literature and movies from that epoch.
- HWR_14 5y agoIt seems like you're very upset about a very small fringe group.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoErr...no? Not really. But they aren't that fringe anymore.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y agoHeretic! May Gretas wrath come upon you! ;->