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My point was that if a solution was battle tested to withstand the scrutiny that the ne'er-do-wells encourage, then random person who knows nothing can feel com

My point was that if a solution was battle tested to withstand the scrutiny that the ne'er-do-wells encourage, then random person who knows nothing can feel comfortable that their use of the technology is also secure. It's kind of like calling something "military-grade". In addition I also qualified the statement to ensure that your second point was covered, that overhead could restrict it's use.

vmception 5y ago
you are trying to straddle a line and it won't go anywhere. so let me help you: crypto is a better solution for e-commerce and people won't be able to get doxxed when employing the best practices. the best practices will become more convenient.
user-the-name 5y ago
You actually hit the nail on the head there: It is a lot like calling something "military grade". Military grade is not something regular people want! Military grade is clunky, cumbersome and problematic for reasons that are a tradeoff for things that matter a lot to the military, but which are not an issue at all for regular people. You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and costs you a lot. But the military does want that, a lot.
- ashwagary 5y ago
  >You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and costs you a lot. Heavy armour gets you protection from firearms and some explosives. I wouldn't call that nothing. *I know high value individuals that drive armored vehicles in the US.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    It is nothing, since nobody is going to be shooting at your car unless you live in a warzone. It gives you protection against a non-existent threat, while costing you money and convenience.
- dariusj18 5y ago
  But let's do apples to apples here, because you are comparing "military grade" hardware and I'm talking about software, something where component costs are 0 and have 0 cost to duplicate. But that's really secondary to the point, if something has proven itself in the most strenuous conditions you can feel confident that it will meet your needs. Assuming your needs are in line with the aforementioned conditions, ex. yes, a "military grade" laptop will be bulky, and grandma will not care about that feature, but someone in an auto-shop who needs a laptop to withstand all sorts of punishment might feel the extra bucks are worth the confidence. My assumption here is you and those with similar views do not view privacy as a requirement for grandma, and I think that is the crux of the argument. Privacy can be its own reward and everyone will determine their own value for it. If grandma's circumstances are that she needs/wants that privacy, then having a battle tested solution that can be counted on is an easy decision to make.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    Do you honestly think cryptocurrencies have no costs compared to other solutions?
    - dariusj18 5y ago
      That's not really what I was saying either. The technology behind it costs nothing to reproduce. Sure there are costs, ex. there were costs to develop the technology, there are costs to maintain infrastructure and costs for continuing development. However those costs also exist in our current system and they could easily be seen as lower with cryptos.

vmception 5y ago

you are trying to straddle a line and it won't go anywhere. so let me help you: crypto is a better solution for e-commerce and people won't be able to get doxxed when employing the best practices. the best practices will become more convenient.

user-the-name 5y ago

You actually hit the nail on the head there: It is a lot like calling something "military grade". Military grade is not something regular people want! Military grade is clunky, cumbersome and problematic for reasons that are a tradeoff for things that matter a lot to the military, but which are not an issue at all for regular people. You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and costs you a lot. But the military does want that, a lot.

ashwagary 5y ago
>You don't want your car to be covered in heavy armour. That gains you nothing and costs you a lot. Heavy armour gets you protection from firearms and some explosives. I wouldn't call that nothing. *I know high value individuals that drive armored vehicles in the US.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  It is nothing, since nobody is going to be shooting at your car unless you live in a warzone. It gives you protection against a non-existent threat, while costing you money and convenience.
dariusj18 5y ago
But let's do apples to apples here, because you are comparing "military grade" hardware and I'm talking about software, something where component costs are 0 and have 0 cost to duplicate. But that's really secondary to the point, if something has proven itself in the most strenuous conditions you can feel confident that it will meet your needs. Assuming your needs are in line with the aforementioned conditions, ex. yes, a "military grade" laptop will be bulky, and grandma will not care about that feature, but someone in an auto-shop who needs a laptop to withstand all sorts of punishment might feel the extra bucks are worth the confidence. My assumption here is you and those with similar views do not view privacy as a requirement for grandma, and I think that is the crux of the argument. Privacy can be its own reward and everyone will determine their own value for it. If grandma's circumstances are that she needs/wants that privacy, then having a battle tested solution that can be counted on is an easy decision to make.
- user-the-name 5y ago
  Do you honestly think cryptocurrencies have no costs compared to other solutions?
  - dariusj18 5y ago
    That's not really what I was saying either. The technology behind it costs nothing to reproduce. Sure there are costs, ex. there were costs to develop the technology, there are costs to maintain infrastructure and costs for continuing development. However those costs also exist in our current system and they could easily be seen as lower with cryptos.