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It’s really a shame this stuff gets downvoted. I really wish people understood that it is quite possible for a well intentioned person to completely disagree wi

It’s really a shame this stuff gets downvoted. I really wish people understood that it is quite possible for a well intentioned person to completely disagree with almost all of what we’ve done. In fact it would be highly unusual for all “smart” people to take one side of an issue. > But yeah I really want to hammer home the point that, the only possible way in which we wouldn't have "been able to keep fully in-person school running last year" is purely itself an artifact of absurd COVID quarantine policies, and has nothing to do with an actual lack of staff nor an actual crippling health problem preventing people from being able to work. I suspect we will eventually “discover” the same with hospital capacity. When you test everybody on the way in and then have all positive results follow strict, labor intense quarantine protocols regardless of patient symptoms… yeah you will have problems with capacity. Imagine if they tested all patients for other viruses and did this sort of thing… A lot of the problems we’ve experienced the last year and a half are self-made. Testing everything under the sun for covid and then acting on positive results regardless of symptoms is gonna throw a wrench in just about any machine.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago
I think what makes me the saddest is that the pro-lockdown pro-school-closures pro-vaccine-passport-to-engage-in-society people never seem to think that the onus is on them to prove anything. They don't need to prove that school closures aren't deleterious. They don't need to prove that the supposed epidemic of long COVID is actually real. They don't need to prove that the missed medical appointments and missed routine non-COVID vaccinations aren't going to outpace the supposed benefits of doing the epidemiological equivalent of hiding in your closet from the monster (SARS-2). They don't need to account for second-order effects, such as the fact that "avoiding" COVID for a month or two is really just postponing it and that we exist in a state of dynamic equilibrium with the countless pathogens we're surrounded by. No, they just get to assume that their intervention de jur is without harm, and conversely that COVID is the worst thing ever and that SARS-2 is 10 times as deadly as all the other shit we don't spend an excessive amount of time worrying about (Influenza, OC43, noravirus, rhinovirus, you name it)
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Agree. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And it isn’t the skeptic’s job to prove any of that. Logic and science got flipped on its head. It’s truly remarkable.
  - jasonladuke0311 5y ago
    Because like many issues these days, it has taken on a religious fervor.
NineStarPoint 5y ago
The main problem with hospital capacity was ICU beds though, not all the trappings around the bodies in those beds. People didn’t get put in those beds just due to a positive test. Fundamental issue was that our system isn’t built to handle the sort of excess load a disease that leaves someone in an ICU bed for weeks causes. If covid killed who it killed quickly it wouldn’t have been nearly as much of an issue.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago

I think what makes me the saddest is that the pro-lockdown pro-school-closures pro-vaccine-passport-to-engage-in-society people never seem to think that the onus is on them to prove anything. They don't need to prove that school closures aren't deleterious. They don't need to prove that the supposed epidemic of long COVID is actually real. They don't need to prove that the missed medical appointments and missed routine non-COVID vaccinations aren't going to outpace the supposed benefits of doing the epidemiological equivalent of hiding in your closet from the monster (SARS-2). They don't need to account for second-order effects, such as the fact that "avoiding" COVID for a month or two is really just postponing it and that we exist in a state of dynamic equilibrium with the countless pathogens we're surrounded by. No, they just get to assume that their intervention de jur is without harm, and conversely that COVID is the worst thing ever and that SARS-2 is 10 times as deadly as all the other shit we don't spend an excessive amount of time worrying about (Influenza, OC43, noravirus, rhinovirus, you name it)

spookthesunset 5y ago
Agree. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And it isn’t the skeptic’s job to prove any of that. Logic and science got flipped on its head. It’s truly remarkable.
- jasonladuke0311 5y ago
  Because like many issues these days, it has taken on a religious fervor.

NineStarPoint 5y ago

The main problem with hospital capacity was ICU beds though, not all the trappings around the bodies in those beds. People didn’t get put in those beds just due to a positive test. Fundamental issue was that our system isn’t built to handle the sort of excess load a disease that leaves someone in an ICU bed for weeks causes. If covid killed who it killed quickly it wouldn’t have been nearly as much of an issue.