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> Personally I think closing the nuclear reactors is a terrible idea, considering nuclear is the only clean base load generation we have. Yes >Perhaps the US

> Personally I think closing the nuclear reactors is a terrible idea, considering nuclear is the only clean base load generation we have. Yes >Perhaps the US ought not to have interfered, but it seems like a desirable outcome nonetheless. No, freezing in an European winter isn't an desirable outcome. Yes, gas bad and Russia evil, but shooting of your arm because your fingers are broken isn't a smart thing to do. Gas is already expensive in Europe and there aren't any viable cheap alternatives, both green and non-green. Curently at least.

qaq 5y ago
There is plenty of pipeline capacity.
throwaway894345 5y ago
> No, freezing in an European winter isn't an desirable outcome. This is surely theatrics. Europeans will pay more for heating than they usually do, and that will be the extent of it.
- DeWilde 5y ago
  > This is surely theatrics. Yeah, drama helps makes a point which brings us to: >Europeans will pay more for heating than they usually do, That is the problem, many feel that heating and fuel are already expensive. Do you think this will make the poorer part of the population vote more for green and sustainable ideas? Or is it just gonna push them more towards politicians that don't support these ideeas?
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > That is the problem, many feel that heating and fuel are already expensive. Do you think this will make the poorer part of the population vote more for green and sustainable ideas? Or is it just gonna push them more towards politicians that don't support these ideeas? Isn’t the obvious answer to redistribute wealth? Anyway, this is the whole deal with curbing climate change—it’s going to be an economic burden by definition. You’re going from externalizing a cost to internalizing it, so someone is going to have to pay a little more than normal. We need to work to make people understand that this transition won’t be easy precisely because we kicked the can so far down the road.

qaq 5y ago

There is plenty of pipeline capacity.

throwaway894345 5y ago

> No, freezing in an European winter isn't an desirable outcome. This is surely theatrics. Europeans will pay more for heating than they usually do, and that will be the extent of it.

DeWilde 5y ago
> This is surely theatrics. Yeah, drama helps makes a point which brings us to: >Europeans will pay more for heating than they usually do, That is the problem, many feel that heating and fuel are already expensive. Do you think this will make the poorer part of the population vote more for green and sustainable ideas? Or is it just gonna push them more towards politicians that don't support these ideeas?
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > That is the problem, many feel that heating and fuel are already expensive. Do you think this will make the poorer part of the population vote more for green and sustainable ideas? Or is it just gonna push them more towards politicians that don't support these ideeas? Isn’t the obvious answer to redistribute wealth? Anyway, this is the whole deal with curbing climate change—it’s going to be an economic burden by definition. You’re going from externalizing a cost to internalizing it, so someone is going to have to pay a little more than normal. We need to work to make people understand that this transition won’t be easy precisely because we kicked the can so far down the road.