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Actually on topic! Taking that hypothesis you have on kubernetes, check this out... The Cybernetic Hypothesis book discusses a philosophical/systems-thinking/
by dogman144 5y ago
Actually on topic!
Taking that hypothesis you have on kubernetes, check this out...
The Cybernetic Hypothesis book discusses a philosophical/systems-thinking/governance obsession with the importance of "steering" or "piloting." Foucault taught a class on in it in the 80's prior to his death. The train of logic is interest in steering all systems that could be steered for <various reasons> led to a natural interest in cybernetics, as the automation offered a way to codify or "steer" this systems.
Kubernetes <- derived from the greek "kubernesis," "the action of piloting a vessel."
You're highlighting, I think to the extent I'm still grokking this all myself, a common counterpoint to cybernetic thinking - it offers a way to steer things, but often doesn't address core questions like "well who is steering this, why do we want to steer this, what other answer is there beyond efficiency for efficiency's sake?"
- paulpangaro 5y agoThe discussion here, so far as I've followed it (only beginning) is focusing on what is called 'first-order Cybernetics' about the role of feedback and information in systems that steer some variable toward a goal (think: pilot of a ship; thermostat). 'Second-order Cybernetics' (see von Foerster, Glanville) does ask, 'who is steering' and brings in both subjectivity and responsibility in an instance.
- dogman144 5y agoNice distinction. Based on what I’m reading lately, sounds like I need to chase down more of the latter.