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>There's no substitute for socialization. The odd thing about 'socialization' is that it really means 'age segregated groups in a highly organized situation'.

>There's no substitute for socialization. The odd thing about 'socialization' is that it really means 'age segregated groups in a highly organized situation'. Really, it's a thing that never existed until the last 100-150 years or so.

beckman466 5y ago
> The odd thing about 'socialization' is that it really means 'age segregated groups in a highly organized situation'. Are you campaigning for self-directed learning like in the Sudbury Valley model?
- missinfo 5y ago
  They could be referring to the Montessori method or the SpaceX school too. They have mixed age ranges and are less organized, understanding that kids learn at different paces and have different interests.
  - beckman466 5y ago
    > They have mixed age ranges and are less organized, understanding that kids learn at different paces and have different interests. Yep, those are the same qualities of Sudbury Valley schools! https://www.reimaginedonline.org/2013/06/why-i-started-my-own-sudbury-school/ https://www.reimaginedonline.org/2013/06/why-i-started-my-ow...
- PerkinWarwick 5y ago
  I'm not campaigning for anything, just pointing out that 'socialization' in the sense of a modern school never existed for 99.99% of human history. Is it desirable? I don't know. I suppose it's well suited to producing certain types of workers.
lkbm 5y ago
We might do well to switch to non-age segregated groups and non-organized situations, but "being on Zoom" doesn't seem to meet the requirements in either case. We've got much smaller family sizes than 100-150 years ago, and much less "go run around town with your friends", so for better or worse, in-person school is the main form of non-virtual socialization a lot of kids get outside of their parents.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  I deeply believe that non-age segregated or at least level segregated fails the other objective of schooling. That is education. Honestly the class room model with enough resources and giving separate access to those truly needing it might be best model. Like, open offices increase efficiency too right? So why wouldn't they be perfect for education, let's say a few hundred kid in same space?

beckman466 5y ago

> The odd thing about 'socialization' is that it really means 'age segregated groups in a highly organized situation'. Are you campaigning for self-directed learning like in the Sudbury Valley model?

missinfo 5y ago
They could be referring to the Montessori method or the SpaceX school too. They have mixed age ranges and are less organized, understanding that kids learn at different paces and have different interests.
- beckman466 5y ago
  > They have mixed age ranges and are less organized, understanding that kids learn at different paces and have different interests. Yep, those are the same qualities of Sudbury Valley schools! https://www.reimaginedonline.org/2013/06/why-i-started-my-own-sudbury-school/ https://www.reimaginedonline.org/2013/06/why-i-started-my-ow...
PerkinWarwick 5y ago
I'm not campaigning for anything, just pointing out that 'socialization' in the sense of a modern school never existed for 99.99% of human history. Is it desirable? I don't know. I suppose it's well suited to producing certain types of workers.

lkbm 5y ago

We might do well to switch to non-age segregated groups and non-organized situations, but "being on Zoom" doesn't seem to meet the requirements in either case. We've got much smaller family sizes than 100-150 years ago, and much less "go run around town with your friends", so for better or worse, in-person school is the main form of non-virtual socialization a lot of kids get outside of their parents.

Ekaros 5y ago
I deeply believe that non-age segregated or at least level segregated fails the other objective of schooling. That is education. Honestly the class room model with enough resources and giving separate access to those truly needing it might be best model. Like, open offices increase efficiency too right? So why wouldn't they be perfect for education, let's say a few hundred kid in same space?