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I seriously doubt this claim 'Literally everyone I spoke to who voted for Brexit did so entirely on the lies' - that seems to be a coping mechanism for anybody

I seriously doubt this claim 'Literally everyone I spoke to who voted for Brexit did so entirely on the lies' - that seems to be a coping mechanism for anybody on the opposite side of a debate. If I had voted remain you could say I had done so on lies if my motivation was to prevent house prices dropping by 18% [1] - where as actually they have moved about 18% higher [2]. There were no specific claims about removing foreigners, only the factually accurate statement that we could move to a points based immigration system if we wanted to. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referendum-george-osborne-house-prices-brexit https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/20/eu-referend... [2] https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-index https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/housing-index

joeberon 5y ago
I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe
- callamdelaney 5y ago
  'Literally everyone'? Not me, Joe - so now your previous comment is incorrect.
  - joeberon 5y ago
    I meant people I spoke to in person
- wsc981 5y ago
  > I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe Might it not be fairer to state the sentence either as this: > I'm sorry that the reality I want to believe does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe ... or this ... > I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up with the reality you experience All in good faith of the discussion.
  - joeberon 5y ago
    I don't think so personally. I see it based on what I know versus what they know. I know about my reality, whereas they want to believe something different about my reality. I'm not saying they want to believe something about their _own_ reality, I'm saying that it is about my own. I had an experience and they are saying "no, you didn't", which is them projecting their belief onto my experience of reality. So I think that both of your examples do not express what I meant.
    - callamdelaney 5y ago
      You have literally stated that any view which differs from yours is based on lies. Let me know how that works out for you. As an aside, this sort of attitude is probably why you ‘better educated’ people lost the vote.
      - joeberon 5y ago
        No, I stated that every person I personally know who voted for Brexit did so primarily based on lies. It is strange that you cannot understand the difference.

joeberon 5y ago

I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe

callamdelaney 5y ago
'Literally everyone'? Not me, Joe - so now your previous comment is incorrect.
- joeberon 5y ago
  I meant people I spoke to in person
wsc981 5y ago
> I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe Might it not be fairer to state the sentence either as this: > I'm sorry that the reality I want to believe does not line up neatly with the one you want to believe ... or this ... > I'm sorry that the reality I experience does not line up with the reality you experience All in good faith of the discussion.
- joeberon 5y ago
  I don't think so personally. I see it based on what I know versus what they know. I know about my reality, whereas they want to believe something different about my reality. I'm not saying they want to believe something about their _own_ reality, I'm saying that it is about my own. I had an experience and they are saying "no, you didn't", which is them projecting their belief onto my experience of reality. So I think that both of your examples do not express what I meant.
  - callamdelaney 5y ago
    You have literally stated that any view which differs from yours is based on lies. Let me know how that works out for you. As an aside, this sort of attitude is probably why you ‘better educated’ people lost the vote.
    - joeberon 5y ago
      No, I stated that every person I personally know who voted for Brexit did so primarily based on lies. It is strange that you cannot understand the difference.