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> they could be using but have decided not to This magical euro-thinking just boggles my mind. Do you really think if some euro-fokks somewhere in Straussburg

> they could be using but have decided not to This magical euro-thinking just boggles my mind. Do you really think if some euro-fokks somewhere in Straussburg make a wish for cheap NG, billions of cubic meter, then gas should immediately appears and be available for a penny per cm? Really?

jeltz 5y ago
No, but German could just have not shut down their nuclear power plants.
makomk 5y ago
Well, if the gas doesn't exist and can't be produced in the first place then it hardly matters whether Nord Stream 2 is up and running does it? The only reason the non-operation of Nord Stream 2 would matter is if Russia had gas available but was constrained in getting it to Europe by pipeline capacity, which they're not - there's an unusual amount of capacity just going unused. Yet they've been dropping not-so-subtle hints that the problem would just go away if Europe approved Nord Stream 2. The only way for that to work is if Russia could sell Europe gas but intentionally chose not to for geopolitical leverage reasons.
- Iwan-Zotow 5y ago
  > Well, if the gas doesn't exist and can't be produced in the first place It does exist and could be produced. But it requires discussions, contract(s), signatures, obligations, CAPEX (and quite a lot of it), bank loans, development in the field etc. Not a magic wish by someone. Right now Gazprom is quite busy filling up storage in the Russia in preparation for the winter. > "the problem would just go away if Europe approved Nord Stream 2" Really? Care to provide Putin/Miller statements? Export plan is already known and published. And problem won't go away, they are much more serious that this bs about gazprom and Russia
r00fus 5y ago
It's not magical thinking if you see hidden agendas and corruption as the root-cause of the mis-planning. Gray's law applies to political corruption: http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html

jeltz 5y ago

No, but German could just have not shut down their nuclear power plants.

makomk 5y ago

Well, if the gas doesn't exist and can't be produced in the first place then it hardly matters whether Nord Stream 2 is up and running does it? The only reason the non-operation of Nord Stream 2 would matter is if Russia had gas available but was constrained in getting it to Europe by pipeline capacity, which they're not - there's an unusual amount of capacity just going unused. Yet they've been dropping not-so-subtle hints that the problem would just go away if Europe approved Nord Stream 2. The only way for that to work is if Russia could sell Europe gas but intentionally chose not to for geopolitical leverage reasons.

Iwan-Zotow 5y ago
> Well, if the gas doesn't exist and can't be produced in the first place It does exist and could be produced. But it requires discussions, contract(s), signatures, obligations, CAPEX (and quite a lot of it), bank loans, development in the field etc. Not a magic wish by someone. Right now Gazprom is quite busy filling up storage in the Russia in preparation for the winter. > "the problem would just go away if Europe approved Nord Stream 2" Really? Care to provide Putin/Miller statements? Export plan is already known and published. And problem won't go away, they are much more serious that this bs about gazprom and Russia

r00fus 5y ago

It's not magical thinking if you see hidden agendas and corruption as the root-cause of the mis-planning. Gray's law applies to political corruption: http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html http://wikidumper.blogspot.com/2007/07/greys-law.html