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but they not have problems dropping bombs to children's in other countries.

by Zardoz84 5y ago

lostmsu 5y ago
Russia doesn't have either.
- anticodon 5y ago
  Russia doesn't have either. Do you have proofs? Anything comparable to killing 4 millions in Vietnam, 600,000 in Iraq (probably more), etc, etc.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    You appear to have an agenda, because you took the Vietnam number from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_number_of_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_n... and a) picked the "high estimates" - really bad choice for the sake of an Internet discussion b) you rounded it up! c) you presented that number as civilians killed while it is total deaths on both sides d) you tried to present that number in the context of children killed e) you assume these were all killed by US, which they weren't Considering grossness of the misrepresentation in your comment, I don't think it makes sense to argue with you. However, there's plenty of proofs for Russia not minding killing children in its war efforts as recent as 2014, including MH17 which had 80 children on board.
    - anticodon 5y ago
      It's not a fair comparison. a) It is not proved that MH17 was destroyed by Russia b) It is not same as deliberately killing millions all over the world. Just how many Afghan weddings were bombed by US drones with tens of casualties in every bombing? And nobody ever was punished for war crimes in US. When US kills tens, hundreds of civilians, they either do not acknowledge it, or say something: "We're sorry, it was a mistake" To me it clearly demonstrates that people of other nations and races are not considered to be "people" by US population, but some kind of wild animals. Watching US movies just confirms it. They're all filled with violence (I can't remember any other country with movies so violent) and people that Americans kill in those movies are usually portrayed as savages. In my opinion, it makes USA the most dangerous country on Earth: they're ready to kill anyone without regrets for some amount of gold or oil or gas.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Can't append, reply to deadflagged comment below, so here I go: [x] https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ I'd also like to add [1] https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/weapons-mass-migration-forced-displacement-coercion-and-foreign-policy https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/weapons-mass-migrat... & [2] https://www.covertbookreport.com/weapons-of-mass-migration/ https://www.covertbookreport.com/weapons-of-mass-migration/ (Would you like to have fries with that?)
throwaway894345 5y ago
Russia backs Assad in Syria, who routinely deliberately bombed his own civilians. That seems strictly worse.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  I think we can all agree deliberately bombing other countries civilians is much worse than your own. And USA is clearly doing it.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    I don't agree with that at all. Governments should protect their own citizens first and foremost, but deliberately killing civilians anywhere is abhorrent, and the US does not deliberately target civilians. When civilians are killed by the US, it's an accident. Assad kills civilians to send a message. That said, the US should absolutely work to reduce its collateral damage, but let's not pretend that accidentally killing a civilian and bombing a city (because they are disproportionately critical of your dictatorship) are morally equivalent.
    - Ekaros 5y ago
      I would trust USA lot more if everyone from bottom to top involved in any "accident" was summarily executed. Or at least judged by peers of their victims. Like for latest case I say ship everyone in chain of command and involved in manufacturing to Afghanistan and have the local government there deliver the justice they deserve. I would also expand this to known supporters and voters, but that can be next step.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        > I would also expand this to known supporters and voters, but that can be next step. So you would massacre tens or hundreds of millions of civilians because accidentally killing civilians is bad? This is the most heinous thing I've ever read on HN. > Or at least judged by peers of their victims. Like for latest case I say ship everyone in chain of command and involved in manufacturing to Afghanistan and have the local government there deliver the justice they deserve. Ironically Afghanistan no longer does trial by peers, they do door to door executions without any kind of trial (certainly not trial by jury of peers). And of course, you're notably silent on deliberately targeting civilians in their thousands, which is what Assad has been doing and the Kremlin implicitly supports.

but they not have problems dropping bombs to children's in other countries.

lostmsu 5y ago

Russia doesn't have either.

anticodon 5y ago
Russia doesn't have either. Do you have proofs? Anything comparable to killing 4 millions in Vietnam, 600,000 in Iraq (probably more), etc, etc.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  You appear to have an agenda, because you took the Vietnam number from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_number_of_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_n... and a) picked the "high estimates" - really bad choice for the sake of an Internet discussion b) you rounded it up! c) you presented that number as civilians killed while it is total deaths on both sides d) you tried to present that number in the context of children killed e) you assume these were all killed by US, which they weren't Considering grossness of the misrepresentation in your comment, I don't think it makes sense to argue with you. However, there's plenty of proofs for Russia not minding killing children in its war efforts as recent as 2014, including MH17 which had 80 children on board.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    It's not a fair comparison. a) It is not proved that MH17 was destroyed by Russia b) It is not same as deliberately killing millions all over the world. Just how many Afghan weddings were bombed by US drones with tens of casualties in every bombing? And nobody ever was punished for war crimes in US. When US kills tens, hundreds of civilians, they either do not acknowledge it, or say something: "We're sorry, it was a mistake" To me it clearly demonstrates that people of other nations and races are not considered to be "people" by US population, but some kind of wild animals. Watching US movies just confirms it. They're all filled with violence (I can't remember any other country with movies so violent) and people that Americans kill in those movies are usually portrayed as savages. In my opinion, it makes USA the most dangerous country on Earth: they're ready to kill anyone without regrets for some amount of gold or oil or gas.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Can't append, reply to deadflagged comment below, so here I go: [x] https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ https://fair.org/extra/we-think-the-price-is-worth-it/ I'd also like to add [1] https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/weapons-mass-migration-forced-displacement-coercion-and-foreign-policy https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/weapons-mass-migrat... & [2] https://www.covertbookreport.com/weapons-of-mass-migration/ https://www.covertbookreport.com/weapons-of-mass-migration/ (Would you like to have fries with that?)

throwaway894345 5y ago

Russia backs Assad in Syria, who routinely deliberately bombed his own civilians. That seems strictly worse.

Ekaros 5y ago
I think we can all agree deliberately bombing other countries civilians is much worse than your own. And USA is clearly doing it.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  I don't agree with that at all. Governments should protect their own citizens first and foremost, but deliberately killing civilians anywhere is abhorrent, and the US does not deliberately target civilians. When civilians are killed by the US, it's an accident. Assad kills civilians to send a message. That said, the US should absolutely work to reduce its collateral damage, but let's not pretend that accidentally killing a civilian and bombing a city (because they are disproportionately critical of your dictatorship) are morally equivalent.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    I would trust USA lot more if everyone from bottom to top involved in any "accident" was summarily executed. Or at least judged by peers of their victims. Like for latest case I say ship everyone in chain of command and involved in manufacturing to Afghanistan and have the local government there deliver the justice they deserve. I would also expand this to known supporters and voters, but that can be next step.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      > I would also expand this to known supporters and voters, but that can be next step. So you would massacre tens or hundreds of millions of civilians because accidentally killing civilians is bad? This is the most heinous thing I've ever read on HN. > Or at least judged by peers of their victims. Like for latest case I say ship everyone in chain of command and involved in manufacturing to Afghanistan and have the local government there deliver the justice they deserve. Ironically Afghanistan no longer does trial by peers, they do door to door executions without any kind of trial (certainly not trial by jury of peers). And of course, you're notably silent on deliberately targeting civilians in their thousands, which is what Assad has been doing and the Kremlin implicitly supports.