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Moreover, we’re not talking about the Russian people, we’re talking about Russia, the dictatorship. The US isn’t assassinating dissidents in EU countries, after

Moreover, we’re not talking about the Russian people, we’re talking about Russia, the dictatorship. The US isn’t assassinating dissidents in EU countries, after all. It’s also not installing dictators in your neighboring countries.

the-dude 5y ago
You must be joking. The US assassinates people almost on a daily basis, has installed dictators in numerous countries and Russia is not a dictatorship, how much you disagree with Putin. Futhermore, the US has been involved or started numerous conflicts in the EU backyard, which we are forced to cooperate in, and have no choice to take care of the refugees.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  The US assassinates terrorists (and not remotely on “a daily basis” although the US assassination attempts have too much collateral damage). Russia assassinates dissidents (critics of Putin and his regime) on EU soil. Russia is absolutely a dictatorship. They just rigged their most recent election (jailed the leading rival politician and banned apps that informed people on how to use their vote strategically to minimize Putin’s party’s power).
  - 988747 5y ago
    America labels its critics as "terrorist" and critics of Russia as "dissidents". Russia of course does the exact opposite. As for "rigged elections" all the US elections in the last 50 years were rigged as well - think about gerrymandering and deliberately blocking black and Latino minorities from voting (by making it hard for them to obtain proof of identity, or making them wait hours in line at the polling stations).
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      > America labels its critics as "terrorist" and critics of Russia as "dissidents". Russia of course does the exact opposite. "Dissident" is just a critic of a policy or regime. It doesn't improve Russia's hand at all to say that it only assassinates critics, and it certainly isn't an exclusively US-held position that Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexei Navalny, etc were critics (as opposed to bonafide violent terrorists). As for "America labels its critics as 'terrorists'": can you name any critics that the US labeled "terrorists" and consequently assassinated, especially on EU soil?
      - anticodon 5y ago
        Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexei Navalny There's no evidence that Putin is related to death of these persons. BTW, Navalny is alive and well and all the evidence shows that he was probably "poisoned" by the CIA to create another "victim" of Putin's regime. Besides, Navalny is a terrorist on CIA payroll. He's working on destroying Russia from within. He was recruited and trained abroad and most of his "donations" are coming from western governments and spy agencies. Nobody trusts him here.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        That's quite the conspiracy theory...
        anticodon 5y ago
        It's not a conspiracy. There're plenty of evidence that Navalny received funding from western governments. Also, he had received "mysterious" bitcoin donations for millions of USD. Also, Germany had provided him with studio and equipment to film his last propaganda movie and YouTube promoted it very aggressively (no other YouTube clip was ever promoted this aggressively - it was starting automatically for almost any person in Russia that opened YouTube). Yeah, that's a conspiracy...
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Zardoz84 5y ago
but they not have problems dropping bombs to children's in other countries.
- lostmsu 5y ago
  Russia doesn't have either.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    Russia doesn't have either. Do you have proofs? Anything comparable to killing 4 millions in Vietnam, 600,000 in Iraq (probably more), etc, etc.
    - lostmsu 5y ago
      You appear to have an agenda, because you took the Vietnam number from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_number_of_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_n... and a) picked the "high estimates" - really bad choice for the sake of an Internet discussion b) you rounded it up! c) you presented that number as civilians killed while it is total deaths on both sides d) you tried to present that number in the context of children killed e) you assume these were all killed by US, which they weren't Considering grossness of the misrepresentation in your comment, I don't think it makes sense to argue with you. However, there's plenty of proofs for Russia not minding killing children in its war efforts as recent as 2014, including MH17 which had 80 children on board.
      - anticodon 5y ago
        It's not a fair comparison. a) It is not proved that MH17 was destroyed by Russia b) It is not same as deliberately killing millions all over the world. Just how many Afghan weddings were bombed by US drones with tens of casualties in every bombing? And nobody ever was punished for war crimes in US. When US kills tens, hundreds of civilians, they either do not acknowledge it, or say something: "We're sorry, it was a mistake" To me it clearly demonstrates that people of other nations and races are not considered to be "people" by US population, but some kind of wild animals. Watching US movies just confirms it. They're all filled with violence (I can't remember any other country with movies so violent) and people that Americans kill in those movies are usually portrayed as savages. In my opinion, it makes USA the most dangerous country on Earth: they're ready to kill anyone without regrets for some amount of gold or oil or gas.
Ekaros 5y ago
I do clearly remember however them allying with dictator in neighbouring country, even after massive invasions and extensions far beyond their border...
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Hrm. Hm. Hm... Julian Assange? Edward Snowden? If they could 'the US' would very much like to disappear them, by whatever means. Furthermore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio seem just like the tip of an iceberg.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  Of course those two are still alive and there's no evidence at all that the US would like to assassinate or "disappear" them. On the contrary, it's relatively easy to assassinate or even kidnap someone--Russia had agents spread nerve agent on a target's door handle and shoot another target in the street. Certainly these things are well within the US's capability. I think you're confusing "extradition and trial by jury" with "assassination" or "disappearing".
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    I think you are confusing plausible deniability with the propaganda you're fed. Besides that I can't confirm nor deny having access to sources behind transtemporal channels, or having signed NDAs with blood. Yada Yada. kthxbye
anticodon 5y ago
The US isn’t assassinating dissidents in EU countries, after all. It’s also not installing dictators in your neighboring countries. This is absolutely not true. US is assassinating dissidents all over the world all the time. US is installing puppet governments and staging revolutions all the time to pursue its economical interests. BTW, none of the alleged Russian assassinations were proven. There're only "highly likely" arguments without a single piece of evidence. And when there're counter arguments, they are not printed in the western press. E.g. how Germany was preparing for investigation of "poisoning" of Navalny, before it was known that he was "poisoned".
- HatchedLake721 5y ago
  You should’ve stopped before “BTW”. Otherwise you’ve shown you are either consuming Russian state TV for breakfast, lunch and dinner or you’re doing this for money. “Highly likely”, no single piece of evidence, Germany/Navalny… these are the most trashy arguments that are spread 24/7 by state paid actors.
  - anticodon 5y ago
    Yes, that's typical of the West to call any contradicting information as "paid by Russian government". It never cease to amaze me how hard US population believes that it has some kind of monopoly on truth. That no other nation or person can know the truth, but US is always right.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      To be clear, it’s not “the US”, but virtually the entire world including a great many Russians.
      - anticodon 5y ago
        Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. That's the main difference between us and the "collective West". Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. The level of ignorance is so high that there're cases where it is beyond facepalm. E.g. utterances of Jane Psaki about shores of Belarus, or recent declaration in French newspaper that Ukraine invaded Crimea in 2014. You guys know nothing, absolutely nothing. You live in a bubble created by ignorance, not knowing a single foreign language, inability to consume any information but lies fabricated by your media that belong to 5-6 rich persons that push a single agenda in unison. Yet you're ready to kill millions based on that misinformation.

the-dude 5y ago

You must be joking. The US assassinates people almost on a daily basis, has installed dictators in numerous countries and Russia is not a dictatorship, how much you disagree with Putin. Futhermore, the US has been involved or started numerous conflicts in the EU backyard, which we are forced to cooperate in, and have no choice to take care of the refugees.

throwaway894345 5y ago
The US assassinates terrorists (and not remotely on “a daily basis” although the US assassination attempts have too much collateral damage). Russia assassinates dissidents (critics of Putin and his regime) on EU soil. Russia is absolutely a dictatorship. They just rigged their most recent election (jailed the leading rival politician and banned apps that informed people on how to use their vote strategically to minimize Putin’s party’s power).
- 988747 5y ago
  America labels its critics as "terrorist" and critics of Russia as "dissidents". Russia of course does the exact opposite. As for "rigged elections" all the US elections in the last 50 years were rigged as well - think about gerrymandering and deliberately blocking black and Latino minorities from voting (by making it hard for them to obtain proof of identity, or making them wait hours in line at the polling stations).
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > America labels its critics as "terrorist" and critics of Russia as "dissidents". Russia of course does the exact opposite. "Dissident" is just a critic of a policy or regime. It doesn't improve Russia's hand at all to say that it only assassinates critics, and it certainly isn't an exclusively US-held position that Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexei Navalny, etc were critics (as opposed to bonafide violent terrorists). As for "America labels its critics as 'terrorists'": can you name any critics that the US labeled "terrorists" and consequently assassinated, especially on EU soil?
    - anticodon 5y ago
      Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Nemtsov, Alexei Navalny There's no evidence that Putin is related to death of these persons. BTW, Navalny is alive and well and all the evidence shows that he was probably "poisoned" by the CIA to create another "victim" of Putin's regime. Besides, Navalny is a terrorist on CIA payroll. He's working on destroying Russia from within. He was recruited and trained abroad and most of his "donations" are coming from western governments and spy agencies. Nobody trusts him here.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        That's quite the conspiracy theory...
        anticodon 5y ago
        It's not a conspiracy. There're plenty of evidence that Navalny received funding from western governments. Also, he had received "mysterious" bitcoin donations for millions of USD. Also, Germany had provided him with studio and equipment to film his last propaganda movie and YouTube promoted it very aggressively (no other YouTube clip was ever promoted this aggressively - it was starting automatically for almost any person in Russia that opened YouTube). Yeah, that's a conspiracy...
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

Zardoz84 5y ago

but they not have problems dropping bombs to children's in other countries.

lostmsu 5y ago
Russia doesn't have either.
- anticodon 5y ago
  Russia doesn't have either. Do you have proofs? Anything comparable to killing 4 millions in Vietnam, 600,000 in Iraq (probably more), etc, etc.
  - lostmsu 5y ago
    You appear to have an agenda, because you took the Vietnam number from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_number_of_deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties#Total_n... and a) picked the "high estimates" - really bad choice for the sake of an Internet discussion b) you rounded it up! c) you presented that number as civilians killed while it is total deaths on both sides d) you tried to present that number in the context of children killed e) you assume these were all killed by US, which they weren't Considering grossness of the misrepresentation in your comment, I don't think it makes sense to argue with you. However, there's plenty of proofs for Russia not minding killing children in its war efforts as recent as 2014, including MH17 which had 80 children on board.
    - anticodon 5y ago
      It's not a fair comparison. a) It is not proved that MH17 was destroyed by Russia b) It is not same as deliberately killing millions all over the world. Just how many Afghan weddings were bombed by US drones with tens of casualties in every bombing? And nobody ever was punished for war crimes in US. When US kills tens, hundreds of civilians, they either do not acknowledge it, or say something: "We're sorry, it was a mistake" To me it clearly demonstrates that people of other nations and races are not considered to be "people" by US population, but some kind of wild animals. Watching US movies just confirms it. They're all filled with violence (I can't remember any other country with movies so violent) and people that Americans kill in those movies are usually portrayed as savages. In my opinion, it makes USA the most dangerous country on Earth: they're ready to kill anyone without regrets for some amount of gold or oil or gas.

Ekaros 5y ago

I do clearly remember however them allying with dictator in neighbouring country, even after massive invasions and extensions far beyond their border...

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago

Hrm. Hm. Hm... Julian Assange? Edward Snowden? If they could 'the US' would very much like to disappear them, by whatever means. Furthermore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio seem just like the tip of an iceberg.

throwaway894345 5y ago
Of course those two are still alive and there's no evidence at all that the US would like to assassinate or "disappear" them. On the contrary, it's relatively easy to assassinate or even kidnap someone--Russia had agents spread nerve agent on a target's door handle and shoot another target in the street. Certainly these things are well within the US's capability. I think you're confusing "extradition and trial by jury" with "assassination" or "disappearing".
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  I think you are confusing plausible deniability with the propaganda you're fed. Besides that I can't confirm nor deny having access to sources behind transtemporal channels, or having signed NDAs with blood. Yada Yada. kthxbye

anticodon 5y ago

The US isn’t assassinating dissidents in EU countries, after all. It’s also not installing dictators in your neighboring countries. This is absolutely not true. US is assassinating dissidents all over the world all the time. US is installing puppet governments and staging revolutions all the time to pursue its economical interests. BTW, none of the alleged Russian assassinations were proven. There're only "highly likely" arguments without a single piece of evidence. And when there're counter arguments, they are not printed in the western press. E.g. how Germany was preparing for investigation of "poisoning" of Navalny, before it was known that he was "poisoned".

HatchedLake721 5y ago
You should’ve stopped before “BTW”. Otherwise you’ve shown you are either consuming Russian state TV for breakfast, lunch and dinner or you’re doing this for money. “Highly likely”, no single piece of evidence, Germany/Navalny… these are the most trashy arguments that are spread 24/7 by state paid actors.
- anticodon 5y ago
  Yes, that's typical of the West to call any contradicting information as "paid by Russian government". It never cease to amaze me how hard US population believes that it has some kind of monopoly on truth. That no other nation or person can know the truth, but US is always right.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    To be clear, it’s not “the US”, but virtually the entire world including a great many Russians.
    - anticodon 5y ago
      Russians doesn't destroy whole countries and kill millions because they think they know some higher truth about how those people should live their life. That's the main difference between us and the "collective West". Also, West is amazingly ignorant. E.g. when people from the West discuss history of Russia, USSR, Georgia, Chechnya, Ukraine, Crimea, it is clear that you don't know a single bit about these places or history or relationships between countries and people here. You just regurgitate typical stereotypes and media lies. The level of ignorance is so high that there're cases where it is beyond facepalm. E.g. utterances of Jane Psaki about shores of Belarus, or recent declaration in French newspaper that Ukraine invaded Crimea in 2014. You guys know nothing, absolutely nothing. You live in a bubble created by ignorance, not knowing a single foreign language, inability to consume any information but lies fabricated by your media that belong to 5-6 rich persons that push a single agenda in unison. Yet you're ready to kill millions based on that misinformation.