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> Lol well I wouldn't consider myself "late career" At a rough guess, you would have switched around age 42. That's late career by just about any definition.

> Lol well I wouldn't consider myself "late career" At a rough guess, you would have switched around age 42. That's late career by just about any definition. > I've been in all corners of our industry, from a tech lead in big org to a consultant to strategic leadership (CTO-type roles in small companies) to freelancing for large enterprises. Jack of all trades, master of none. > I offered because, to be blunt, you seem to have a very narrow/naïve view of the industry we work in Naïve? No. Cynical? Absolutely. > in my opinion. It's hard to give that a lot of weight considering you've got 3-4 years in this sort of role.

sbarre 5y ago
You seem bent on belittling me or just being confrontational. I'm not sure why, maybe you resent my career choices or simply don't agree with my viewpoint and are choosing to take a stranger's opinions very personally. Either way, I apologize if I said anything that offended you. Have a good one.
- g051051 5y ago
  > You seem bent on belittling me or just being confrontational. Well, to my eye, you started it. But if you didn't intend that, then I apologize for misunderstanding. > I'm not sure why, maybe you resent my career choices or simply don't agree with my viewpoint and are choosing to take a stranger's opinions very personally. I don't care about your career choices one way or another, I just don't understand them. But it's your life, live it how you choose. If you can be happy as a manger, then fair play to you.
  - sbarre 5y ago
    How did I start it when you were the one who made a blanket statement that managers don't do "real work"? I know we've been going on for a while, but surely you remember making that hyperbolic statement at the start? I took the time to itemize the things that a manager actually does, more time than you spent just making a throwaway offhand comment about a whole profession. I never took any shots at you, I only reacted to the words you wrote and gave you a different viewpoint, but you come back with shots at my skills, my experience, my career path, etc... you made it personal for no good reason. You don't see that? Maybe self-awareness is something else to stick on your personal roadmap.
    - g051051 5y ago
      > How did I start it when you were the one who made a blanket statement that managers don't do "real work"? That wasn't to you directly, it was to OP. You felt compelled to take it personally, though. > I never took any shots at you, I only reacted to the words you wrote and gave you a different viewpoint, but you come back with shots at my skills, my experience, my career path, etc... you made it personal for no good reason. Seemed like it was personal, with you essentially offering counseling and guidance with "Happy to discuss my experience and give further pointers (although I certainly don't have all the answers) if you want." Pointers? What swaggering arrogance from an essentially new manager! And also this howler: > Maybe an idea would be to use the list I made to formulate some questions for your next round of interviews As someone else mentioned, "It’s a little telling that 90% of what you describe is undoing the actions of other managers." I agree, and to me that means you're part of the problem perpetuating a broken system. > Maybe self-awareness is something else to stick on your personal roadmap. Perhaps you should take this advice, before feeling that you can advise others.

sbarre 5y ago

You seem bent on belittling me or just being confrontational. I'm not sure why, maybe you resent my career choices or simply don't agree with my viewpoint and are choosing to take a stranger's opinions very personally. Either way, I apologize if I said anything that offended you. Have a good one.

g051051 5y ago
> You seem bent on belittling me or just being confrontational. Well, to my eye, you started it. But if you didn't intend that, then I apologize for misunderstanding. > I'm not sure why, maybe you resent my career choices or simply don't agree with my viewpoint and are choosing to take a stranger's opinions very personally. I don't care about your career choices one way or another, I just don't understand them. But it's your life, live it how you choose. If you can be happy as a manger, then fair play to you.
- sbarre 5y ago
  How did I start it when you were the one who made a blanket statement that managers don't do "real work"? I know we've been going on for a while, but surely you remember making that hyperbolic statement at the start? I took the time to itemize the things that a manager actually does, more time than you spent just making a throwaway offhand comment about a whole profession. I never took any shots at you, I only reacted to the words you wrote and gave you a different viewpoint, but you come back with shots at my skills, my experience, my career path, etc... you made it personal for no good reason. You don't see that? Maybe self-awareness is something else to stick on your personal roadmap.
  - g051051 5y ago
    > How did I start it when you were the one who made a blanket statement that managers don't do "real work"? That wasn't to you directly, it was to OP. You felt compelled to take it personally, though. > I never took any shots at you, I only reacted to the words you wrote and gave you a different viewpoint, but you come back with shots at my skills, my experience, my career path, etc... you made it personal for no good reason. Seemed like it was personal, with you essentially offering counseling and guidance with "Happy to discuss my experience and give further pointers (although I certainly don't have all the answers) if you want." Pointers? What swaggering arrogance from an essentially new manager! And also this howler: > Maybe an idea would be to use the list I made to formulate some questions for your next round of interviews As someone else mentioned, "It’s a little telling that 90% of what you describe is undoing the actions of other managers." I agree, and to me that means you're part of the problem perpetuating a broken system. > Maybe self-awareness is something else to stick on your personal roadmap. Perhaps you should take this advice, before feeling that you can advise others.