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> To me it is rather the demand that certain beliefs may not be questioned that enables things like fascists rising to power Holocaust is not a belief, it is a

> To me it is rather the demand that certain beliefs may not be questioned that enables things like fascists rising to power Holocaust is not a belief, it is a historical event that has already happened.

notanzaiiswear 5y ago
So what exactly is "the Holocaust"? Do you know exactly what happened? I rather think historians are still piercing it together. Also, while as I said I don't have reasons to doubt it, I do think that there is something like "winner's history". I have witnessed it with the wars that happened in my lifetime, when it was possible to glimpse some aspects beyond the portrayal in the mainstream media. So I am careful before I believe anything.
user-the-name 5y ago
Pretty amazing that this is what gets downvoted in this site.
- mhoad 5y ago
  This entire comment section is maybe the clearest example I have seen in a long time of why so many other industries outside of tech kind of look at the tech scene as a amoralistic dumpster fire. I never used to see the value of trying to include humanities as a part of a tech degree until a few years ago and now I think it can't happen fast enough. So many of the arguments presented here wouldn't pass any kind of a 101 level class.
  - notanzaiiswear 5y ago
    I strongly suspect you never had a 101 humanities class. Pretty sure "philosophy" is all about what you know and what you can and what you have to believe. Maybe you confuse it with "Bible class 101", where you get told a set of moral rules that you are supposed to follow and never question, because they are supposedly given by god. Still, I would be curious to hear your reasoning of why it is supposedly morally mandatory to believe in the Holocaust?
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      You would be curious to hear my reasoning for why it is morally mandatory to believe in objective reality?
      - notanzaiiswear 5y ago
        Yes - what makes you think you can determine objective reality, and even assuming you, or somebody, could determine it, why should there be a MORAL obligation to believe in it? Would you say then there is a moral obligation to not believe in god? After all it seems unlikely that god is a part of objective reality.

notanzaiiswear 5y ago

So what exactly is "the Holocaust"? Do you know exactly what happened? I rather think historians are still piercing it together. Also, while as I said I don't have reasons to doubt it, I do think that there is something like "winner's history". I have witnessed it with the wars that happened in my lifetime, when it was possible to glimpse some aspects beyond the portrayal in the mainstream media. So I am careful before I believe anything.

user-the-name 5y ago

Pretty amazing that this is what gets downvoted in this site.

mhoad 5y ago
This entire comment section is maybe the clearest example I have seen in a long time of why so many other industries outside of tech kind of look at the tech scene as a amoralistic dumpster fire. I never used to see the value of trying to include humanities as a part of a tech degree until a few years ago and now I think it can't happen fast enough. So many of the arguments presented here wouldn't pass any kind of a 101 level class.
- notanzaiiswear 5y ago
  I strongly suspect you never had a 101 humanities class. Pretty sure "philosophy" is all about what you know and what you can and what you have to believe. Maybe you confuse it with "Bible class 101", where you get told a set of moral rules that you are supposed to follow and never question, because they are supposedly given by god. Still, I would be curious to hear your reasoning of why it is supposedly morally mandatory to believe in the Holocaust?
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    You would be curious to hear my reasoning for why it is morally mandatory to believe in objective reality?
    - notanzaiiswear 5y ago
      Yes - what makes you think you can determine objective reality, and even assuming you, or somebody, could determine it, why should there be a MORAL obligation to believe in it? Would you say then there is a moral obligation to not believe in god? After all it seems unlikely that god is a part of objective reality.