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Uhm, what about Guinness? The guinness brewery has been around a lot longer than 1950. Also, are you claiming there was no such thing as an Irish pub before 198

Uhm, what about Guinness? The guinness brewery has been around a lot longer than 1950. Also, are you claiming there was no such thing as an Irish pub before 1980? Again, uhm, no.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Of course there were pubs in Ireland, but if you go to an “Irish pub” in the States, that experience is largely a recent invention. “Pub in a Box”: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/04/12/523653040/episode-764-pub-in-a-box https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/04/12/523653040/epis...
dredmorbius 5y ago
I draw your attention to the word "almost" in my comment, and its neighbour "entirely", which it modifies. The brewery may date to the 1850s. As a widely-known name, popularity trailed the records book published by the same concern, largely beginning in the 1960s: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Guiness+%2A&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&direct_url=t2%3B%2CGuiness%20%2A%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BGuiness%20Book%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20and%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20%27s%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Stout%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Rogers%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20in%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20v.%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Peat%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20is%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Mahon%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Guiness+%2A&ye...
- leoc 5y ago
  The popularity of the Book of Records probably doesn't have much relation to sales or awareness of the Guinness drinks. Guinness Extra considerably predates the 1850s: Guinness has been a big manufacturing operation and a big brand for a long time. (However Guinness Draught, being a keg beer, is naturally from the 1950s, though it's the successor of Guinness' cask beer.) Several other European beer brands have histories going back to at least the late C19: Heineken, Carlsberg, Paulaner, ... Several of the famous Italian amaros like Fernet-Branca and Campari are solidly second half of C19; so is Angostura. Chartreuse is considerably older. Several Scottish whisky distilleries have quite long histories of continuous production, though of course the current international fame of Scottish single malts is relatively recent. Bacardi was distributed outside Cuba since at least the 1930s.
  - dredmorbius 5y ago
    That isn't the argument I'm making. I'm simply showing the prevalence of the ngrams "Guiness" (capialised) and "Guiness *" (same, followed by any other word). "Guiness Book" clearly trends in print before any reference to a beverage, in the US-English corpus. If you have a complaint, it's with Google Books and its ngram viewer.
rsynnott 5y ago
I assume they're referring to the theme-park-ish "Irish pubs" in the US, rather than pubs in Ireland.
- Chris2048 5y ago
  The US Irish pubs often go out of their way to seem old-world, e.g. sawdust on the floor, not something I see a lot in Ireland..
  - Maursault 5y ago
    > sawdust on the floor By covering with sawdust to absorb excess moisture before sweeping it up with a broom and dustpan is most usually how vomit is cleaned up by employees.
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      I mean the entire floor, in the middle of the day (no-one vomiting).

Uhm, what about Guinness? The guinness brewery has been around a lot longer than 1950. Also, are you claiming there was no such thing as an Irish pub before 1980? Again, uhm, no.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Of course there were pubs in Ireland, but if you go to an “Irish pub” in the States, that experience is largely a recent invention. “Pub in a Box”: https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/04/12/523653040/episode-764-pub-in-a-box https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2017/04/12/523653040/epis...

dredmorbius 5y ago

I draw your attention to the word "almost" in my comment, and its neighbour "entirely", which it modifies. The brewery may date to the 1850s. As a widely-known name, popularity trailed the records book published by the same concern, largely beginning in the 1960s: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Guiness+%2A&year_start=1900&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&direct_url=t2%3B%2CGuiness%20%2A%3B%2Cc0%3B%2Cs0%3B%3BGuiness%20Book%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20and%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20%27s%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Stout%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Rogers%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20in%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20v.%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Peat%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20is%3B%2Cc0%3B%3BGuiness%20Mahon%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Guiness+%2A&ye...

leoc 5y ago
The popularity of the Book of Records probably doesn't have much relation to sales or awareness of the Guinness drinks. Guinness Extra considerably predates the 1850s: Guinness has been a big manufacturing operation and a big brand for a long time. (However Guinness Draught, being a keg beer, is naturally from the 1950s, though it's the successor of Guinness' cask beer.) Several other European beer brands have histories going back to at least the late C19: Heineken, Carlsberg, Paulaner, ... Several of the famous Italian amaros like Fernet-Branca and Campari are solidly second half of C19; so is Angostura. Chartreuse is considerably older. Several Scottish whisky distilleries have quite long histories of continuous production, though of course the current international fame of Scottish single malts is relatively recent. Bacardi was distributed outside Cuba since at least the 1930s.
- dredmorbius 5y ago
  That isn't the argument I'm making. I'm simply showing the prevalence of the ngrams "Guiness" (capialised) and "Guiness *" (same, followed by any other word). "Guiness Book" clearly trends in print before any reference to a beverage, in the US-English corpus. If you have a complaint, it's with Google Books and its ngram viewer.

rsynnott 5y ago

I assume they're referring to the theme-park-ish "Irish pubs" in the US, rather than pubs in Ireland.

Chris2048 5y ago
The US Irish pubs often go out of their way to seem old-world, e.g. sawdust on the floor, not something I see a lot in Ireland..
- Maursault 5y ago
  > sawdust on the floor By covering with sawdust to absorb excess moisture before sweeping it up with a broom and dustpan is most usually how vomit is cleaned up by employees.
  - Chris2048 5y ago
    I mean the entire floor, in the middle of the day (no-one vomiting).