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Covid-19 – The Spartacus Letter.pdf

14 points by florin_g 5y ago

florin_g 5y ago
Is this an honest conversation about COVID-19? Anonymous, seemingly educated claims that have gone viral.
- psychlops 5y ago
  I found it educational with regard to how the virus works and its impact on the body. It is bubble wrapped in various ideological phrases and thoughts in a chain letter format. But that's how much of news is packaged today so I just wade into the swamp and try to come out clean.
  - martin1975 5y ago
    The views he offers balance out the mainstream narrative. And if you can find such a thing as a value free fact.. Let me know.
purchasable20 5y ago
No discussion about this? Was hoping for someone to try debunk this, at least. It's too hard getting sound opinions. Most of the internet is a shit show. Hacker News usually comes through. Covid topics are the hardest to find proper discussion on. There's not even a good tl;dr. Officially published stuff directed at the general population is too brief. These sources don't educate, they only try to build trust. With covid being a risky topic, I understand why these sources are extremely focused on "safe" facts, while topics that could be taken wrongly are omitted. I think I'm ready to read about these topics, but accredited sources only leave you with thousands of papers as the only alternative to the general population stuff. I don't have a relevant background and therefore lack the necessary skills to understand these papers. This only leaves me with unaccredited sources like the letter posted here. Health's the most important thing one has, and I want to protect it as best as I can. I think there's no proper discussion regarding covid and vaccines anywhere on the internet. I would like to be proven wrong though.
- bartimus 5y ago
  So basically the whole conspiracy theory can only work if there's nanochips in the vaccines. If the goal is some economic advantage the vaccines don't make sense. You would exactly focus on treatment drugs. Not preventative drugs. If the goal is population control you wouldn't introduce a vaccine that's more deadly than the virus. You wouldn't want to damage the loyal citizens and save the disobedient anti-vaxxers. The same goes for the idea that they are working towards a social credit system. You would want the vaccines to work. You would then introduce more dangerous and deadly variants of the virus to wipe all those people not joining the system. It doesn't make sense. For this ploy to make sense there needs to something else. Something valuable to the new world order. Something so valuable that it's worth the risk to inject people with vaccines that are more damaging than the virus itself. Something that allows the NWO to control the people. Thus the conspiracy only makes sense if there's nanochips involved. These versions of the conspiracy are mutually exclusive. Yet I see a bunch of these versions in the Spartacus letter. Why would you fool around with "dangerous" mRNA tech if the goal is to inject nanochips?
  - Nicias421BCE 5y ago
    Some good points made, but keep in mind from an economic perspective it works because of the requirement of regular booster shots
    - bartimus 5y ago
      Unless you enjoy moving the goalposts you need to pick one version of the theories: * Traditional capitalist companies trying to make a profit. * Traditional capitalist companies colluding with governments, scientists and the media to make profit. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech to ensure population control through vaccines. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech to ensure population control through engineered viruses and vaccines. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech implant nanochips that give them certain controlling abilities. Then either COVID is a hoax or not. If it's a hoax you wouldn't want the vaccines to be unnecessarily dangerous (with experimental mRNA tech). Better just inject people with something safe like water (and optionally nanochips). Therefore COVID probably is not a hoax. People are really dying. From a purely economic perspective it doesn't work if your product doesn't work as advertised. We have checks in place to ensure this. So the anti-vaxxer needs to come up with extra theories why vaccine companies are able to sell faulty dangerous products. There needs to be some secret worldwide collusion with governments, the scientific community, the media and tech companies. All these people willing to turn a blind eye. Risk their careers so that some Big Pharma companies can make a profit? Lobbying happens. But would be impossible to achieve at such a large scale. It would be horrible bet to make for a profit seeking company. There's no guarantee it will succeed. Their business would be obliterated completely if anyone ever found out. It doesn't make sense. From hereon we get into the more exotic theories.
RightTail 5y ago
interesting read do think that it would be better the leave out the mention of BCI and criminal accusations. Perhaps an edited version with just the first two paragraphs and the citations should be made in text
- FalariousJoel 5y ago
  Seconded. The last section is random, disjointed and shoddy tinfoil, particularly in comparison to the preceding description of the disease and treatments.
- Nobodytobe123 5y ago
  Then it would be completely a waste of time. Graphene oxide aka NeuraLace has indeed been found in the jabs. Get over it.
  - IAmGraydon 5y ago
    No, it hasn’t, nutjob.
swifthaste 5y ago
From the Spartacus Letter. Wow. "India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin."
SQL2219 5y ago
this document being scrubbed, try this link: https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmVc3SibRH3VbMJv3x7BKCPfq43qyek2CP8ULnTV3E48V1 https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmVc3SibRH3VbMJv3x7BKCPfq4...
- psychlops 5y ago
  That ones down, here's a reprint: https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/ https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/
- FalariousJoel 5y ago
  Streisand effect would suggest that this is a self-scrub to drive attention.
ohgreatwtf 5y ago
The data on ivermectin isn't solid. The rest of the claims are quite solid. I am Spartacus this day. We are all Spartacus this day.
knotdvn 5y ago
My uncle works for nintendo, this is legit.
- pninakov 5y ago
  Can confirm. I am Spartacus.
  - IsSpartacus 5y ago
    I am Spartacus.
se6932 5y ago
I agree with this. But the fact that a bunch of psychopaths rule is only ONE part of the equation. The true, WHOLE, but “politically inconvenient” and “culturally forbidden” reality is more encompassing. Read “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” by Rolf Hefti at https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html Without a proper understanding, and full acknowledgment, of the true WHOLE problem and reality, no real constructive LASTING change is possible. Btw the full Spartacus letter including references can be viewed at https://archive.is/CDc1J https://archive.is/CDc1J or https://archive.is/yqSJk https://archive.is/yqSJk since the original document has been removed, unsurprisingly...
seamn3113 5y ago
The India claim are way off. First they only used the drug in mild cases. Second they also used a cocktail of other anti viral drugs in the more severe cases. Third the report was put out about the use in India and they found that 95% of mild cases were treated effective with the drug and 93% were also treated effective with a placebo. So medically it means the use of a sugar pill was just as effective as the drug.
- Nobodytobe123 5y ago
  Right. That explains why all the meta-analyses show ivermectin works. Because it is a sugar pill which works better than all the other pills... Because they aren't as good as placebo? Now that's a cool theory. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/
- Nobodytobe123 5y ago
  Right. That explains why all the meta-analyses show ivermectin works. Because it is a sugar pill which works better than all the other pills... Because they aren't as good as placebo? Noe that's a cool theory. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/
46PSD 5y ago
India mandated the PROPHYLACTIC use, meaning as a preventable measure. NOT as in a cure to the disease. Western medicine is behind in many areas because of their lack of emphasis on prevention. The vaccines are propelled by FEAR, disenabling the reasoning and analytical ability in a multitude of people. The vaccine "creators" likely feel that the majority of humans will fall for these vaccines due to the dumbing down of societies, as seen in America, when the Bill Gate's Foundation attempted to control the education system.

14 points by florin_g 5y ago

florin_g 5y ago

Is this an honest conversation about COVID-19? Anonymous, seemingly educated claims that have gone viral.

psychlops 5y ago
I found it educational with regard to how the virus works and its impact on the body. It is bubble wrapped in various ideological phrases and thoughts in a chain letter format. But that's how much of news is packaged today so I just wade into the swamp and try to come out clean.
- martin1975 5y ago
  The views he offers balance out the mainstream narrative. And if you can find such a thing as a value free fact.. Let me know.

purchasable20 5y ago

No discussion about this? Was hoping for someone to try debunk this, at least. It's too hard getting sound opinions. Most of the internet is a shit show. Hacker News usually comes through. Covid topics are the hardest to find proper discussion on. There's not even a good tl;dr. Officially published stuff directed at the general population is too brief. These sources don't educate, they only try to build trust. With covid being a risky topic, I understand why these sources are extremely focused on "safe" facts, while topics that could be taken wrongly are omitted. I think I'm ready to read about these topics, but accredited sources only leave you with thousands of papers as the only alternative to the general population stuff. I don't have a relevant background and therefore lack the necessary skills to understand these papers. This only leaves me with unaccredited sources like the letter posted here. Health's the most important thing one has, and I want to protect it as best as I can. I think there's no proper discussion regarding covid and vaccines anywhere on the internet. I would like to be proven wrong though.

bartimus 5y ago
So basically the whole conspiracy theory can only work if there's nanochips in the vaccines. If the goal is some economic advantage the vaccines don't make sense. You would exactly focus on treatment drugs. Not preventative drugs. If the goal is population control you wouldn't introduce a vaccine that's more deadly than the virus. You wouldn't want to damage the loyal citizens and save the disobedient anti-vaxxers. The same goes for the idea that they are working towards a social credit system. You would want the vaccines to work. You would then introduce more dangerous and deadly variants of the virus to wipe all those people not joining the system. It doesn't make sense. For this ploy to make sense there needs to something else. Something valuable to the new world order. Something so valuable that it's worth the risk to inject people with vaccines that are more damaging than the virus itself. Something that allows the NWO to control the people. Thus the conspiracy only makes sense if there's nanochips involved. These versions of the conspiracy are mutually exclusive. Yet I see a bunch of these versions in the Spartacus letter. Why would you fool around with "dangerous" mRNA tech if the goal is to inject nanochips?
- Nicias421BCE 5y ago
  Some good points made, but keep in mind from an economic perspective it works because of the requirement of regular booster shots
  - bartimus 5y ago
    Unless you enjoy moving the goalposts you need to pick one version of the theories: * Traditional capitalist companies trying to make a profit. * Traditional capitalist companies colluding with governments, scientists and the media to make profit. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech to ensure population control through vaccines. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech to ensure population control through engineered viruses and vaccines. * A secret world order colluding with the media, governments and big pharma/tech implant nanochips that give them certain controlling abilities. Then either COVID is a hoax or not. If it's a hoax you wouldn't want the vaccines to be unnecessarily dangerous (with experimental mRNA tech). Better just inject people with something safe like water (and optionally nanochips). Therefore COVID probably is not a hoax. People are really dying. From a purely economic perspective it doesn't work if your product doesn't work as advertised. We have checks in place to ensure this. So the anti-vaxxer needs to come up with extra theories why vaccine companies are able to sell faulty dangerous products. There needs to be some secret worldwide collusion with governments, the scientific community, the media and tech companies. All these people willing to turn a blind eye. Risk their careers so that some Big Pharma companies can make a profit? Lobbying happens. But would be impossible to achieve at such a large scale. It would be horrible bet to make for a profit seeking company. There's no guarantee it will succeed. Their business would be obliterated completely if anyone ever found out. It doesn't make sense. From hereon we get into the more exotic theories.

RightTail 5y ago

interesting read do think that it would be better the leave out the mention of BCI and criminal accusations. Perhaps an edited version with just the first two paragraphs and the citations should be made in text

FalariousJoel 5y ago
Seconded. The last section is random, disjointed and shoddy tinfoil, particularly in comparison to the preceding description of the disease and treatments.
Nobodytobe123 5y ago
Then it would be completely a waste of time. Graphene oxide aka NeuraLace has indeed been found in the jabs. Get over it.
- IAmGraydon 5y ago
  No, it hasn’t, nutjob.

swifthaste 5y ago

From the Spartacus Letter. Wow. "India went against the instructions of the WHO and mandated the prophylactic usage of Ivermectin. They have almost completely eradicated COVID-19. The Indian Bar Association of Mumbai has brought criminal charges against WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan for recommending against the use of Ivermectin."

SQL2219 5y ago

this document being scrubbed, try this link: https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmVc3SibRH3VbMJv3x7BKCPfq43qyek2CP8ULnTV3E48V1 https://gateway.pinata.cloud/ipfs/QmVc3SibRH3VbMJv3x7BKCPfq4...

psychlops 5y ago
That ones down, here's a reprint: https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/ https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2021/09/spartacus/
FalariousJoel 5y ago
Streisand effect would suggest that this is a self-scrub to drive attention.

ohgreatwtf 5y ago

The data on ivermectin isn't solid. The rest of the claims are quite solid. I am Spartacus this day. We are all Spartacus this day.

knotdvn 5y ago

My uncle works for nintendo, this is legit.

pninakov 5y ago
Can confirm. I am Spartacus.
- IsSpartacus 5y ago
  I am Spartacus.

se6932 5y ago

I agree with this. But the fact that a bunch of psychopaths rule is only ONE part of the equation. The true, WHOLE, but “politically inconvenient” and “culturally forbidden” reality is more encompassing. Read “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room –The Holocaustal Covid-19 Coronavirus Madness: A Sociological Perspective & Historical Assessment Of The Covid “Phenomenon”” by Rolf Hefti at https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html Without a proper understanding, and full acknowledgment, of the true WHOLE problem and reality, no real constructive LASTING change is possible. Btw the full Spartacus letter including references can be viewed at https://archive.is/CDc1J https://archive.is/CDc1J or https://archive.is/yqSJk https://archive.is/yqSJk since the original document has been removed, unsurprisingly...

seamn3113 5y ago

The India claim are way off. First they only used the drug in mild cases. Second they also used a cocktail of other anti viral drugs in the more severe cases. Third the report was put out about the use in India and they found that 95% of mild cases were treated effective with the drug and 93% were also treated effective with a placebo. So medically it means the use of a sugar pill was just as effective as the drug.

Nobodytobe123 5y ago
Right. That explains why all the meta-analyses show ivermectin works. Because it is a sugar pill which works better than all the other pills... Because they aren't as good as placebo? Now that's a cool theory. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/
Nobodytobe123 5y ago
Right. That explains why all the meta-analyses show ivermectin works. Because it is a sugar pill which works better than all the other pills... Because they aren't as good as placebo? Noe that's a cool theory. https://ivmmeta.com/ https://ivmmeta.com/

46PSD 5y ago

India mandated the PROPHYLACTIC use, meaning as a preventable measure. NOT as in a cure to the disease. Western medicine is behind in many areas because of their lack of emphasis on prevention. The vaccines are propelled by FEAR, disenabling the reasoning and analytical ability in a multitude of people. The vaccine "creators" likely feel that the majority of humans will fall for these vaccines due to the dumbing down of societies, as seen in America, when the Bill Gate's Foundation attempted to control the education system.