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I've been using it for getting on for 20 years. It's not the best editor (I use emacs for some things) and has some quirks, but the joy and simplicity of outlin

by niccl 5y ago

I've been using it for getting on for 20 years. It's not the best editor (I use emacs for some things) and has some quirks, but the joy and simplicity of outlining code so far outweighs all the drawbacks that I still use it as my main editing environment. In the past I've tried to get to grips with emacs org-mode for the same thing, but Emacs. And Ed Ream is super-responsive if there are issues

leephillips 5y ago
I outline my code, and other documents, by using folding in Vim. Plus plugins for Markdown, LaTeX, and other formats generate tables of contents from headers and sections.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  Please suggest a good Markdown plugin for VIM - and why you like it. I've given up on the plugins... I'm now editing Markdown in plain VIM and my newest files are org-mode instead.
  - leephillips 5y ago
    I use vim-markdown. It's not perfect, but does what I want. Generates a table of contents in a side window, from there I can jump to any heading by putting the cursor on the item and pressing RETURN. The TOC is indented to show heading level, so it serves as an outline. In the main window there are commands to jump to next or previous heading, sibling, heading of current section. It has concealing for bold, italic, and (this one is important) links. It syntax colors code blocks using the syntax file for the language in the block. I'm making small changes to it, and actually have my own fork on GitHub with a change that I needed. But the developer doesn't seem to tend to it much.
    - dotancohen 5y ago
      Thanks, I found your fork here: https://github.com/leephillips/vim-markdown https://github.com/leephillips/vim-markdown I'll take a look at it. Tim Pope also has an independent plugin also called vim-markdown, I don't remember what the differences were between your upstream and his.
      - leephillips 5y ago
        Looks like (vim legend) Tim Pope’s is the Markdown support included with Vim. My fork is of plasticboy’s, which adds a few features, like the TOC generation, to the default. So far my fork just adds one option that I needed, to only recognize Atx headers.
  - I_complete_me 5y ago
    Not OP, I am using these two https://github.com/masukomi/vim-markdown-folding.git https://github.com/masukomi/vim-markdown-folding.git & https://github.com/plasticboy/vim-markdown.git https://github.com/plasticboy/vim-markdown.git and they work great. I like them because they work fine for me.
    - dotancohen 5y ago
      Thank you! Why are you using a separate folding plugin, doesn't vim-markdown provide folding? Does it fold better?
      - I_complete_me 5y ago
        I've been using them so long I can't be 100% sure but while they both fold, only one of them preserves the title of the heading while the other folds the whole section. Check the documentation.
mijoharas 5y ago
I was curious as to what was special about Leo, and it seems to be "outlining". I'm not clear on what this term means. Can you explain how Leo helps with it, and what it means?
- codecalec 5y ago
  I was thinking the same as you. It seems to be another term for code folding. It is where you collapse parts of a source file into a single line so you can just focus on the part of the source file that you are interested in.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    Like org-mode?
    - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
      It’s more like the literate programming parts of org-mode except Leo is more of a live view, from what I remember.
- slightwinder 5y ago
  Outlining in this context means to break up a bigger structure in smaller parts. Like break a document up into each individual paragraph, or sourcecode into functions. Each smaller part is then available to be handled in (semi)programatic ways. For example, you can link one part to appear on multiple locations of the document. Or you can write a script which filters the parts and rearranges them in your desired structure. The point of something like leo editor is to have theoretically a unified way to do all that.

by niccl 5y ago

leephillips 5y ago

I outline my code, and other documents, by using folding in Vim. Plus plugins for Markdown, LaTeX, and other formats generate tables of contents from headers and sections.

dotancohen 5y ago
Please suggest a good Markdown plugin for VIM - and why you like it. I've given up on the plugins... I'm now editing Markdown in plain VIM and my newest files are org-mode instead.
- leephillips 5y ago
  I use vim-markdown. It's not perfect, but does what I want. Generates a table of contents in a side window, from there I can jump to any heading by putting the cursor on the item and pressing RETURN. The TOC is indented to show heading level, so it serves as an outline. In the main window there are commands to jump to next or previous heading, sibling, heading of current section. It has concealing for bold, italic, and (this one is important) links. It syntax colors code blocks using the syntax file for the language in the block. I'm making small changes to it, and actually have my own fork on GitHub with a change that I needed. But the developer doesn't seem to tend to it much.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    Thanks, I found your fork here: https://github.com/leephillips/vim-markdown https://github.com/leephillips/vim-markdown I'll take a look at it. Tim Pope also has an independent plugin also called vim-markdown, I don't remember what the differences were between your upstream and his.
    - leephillips 5y ago
      Looks like (vim legend) Tim Pope’s is the Markdown support included with Vim. My fork is of plasticboy’s, which adds a few features, like the TOC generation, to the default. So far my fork just adds one option that I needed, to only recognize Atx headers.
- I_complete_me 5y ago
  Not OP, I am using these two https://github.com/masukomi/vim-markdown-folding.git https://github.com/masukomi/vim-markdown-folding.git & https://github.com/plasticboy/vim-markdown.git https://github.com/plasticboy/vim-markdown.git and they work great. I like them because they work fine for me.
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    Thank you! Why are you using a separate folding plugin, doesn't vim-markdown provide folding? Does it fold better?
    - I_complete_me 5y ago
      I've been using them so long I can't be 100% sure but while they both fold, only one of them preserves the title of the heading while the other folds the whole section. Check the documentation.

mijoharas 5y ago

I was curious as to what was special about Leo, and it seems to be "outlining". I'm not clear on what this term means. Can you explain how Leo helps with it, and what it means?

codecalec 5y ago
I was thinking the same as you. It seems to be another term for code folding. It is where you collapse parts of a source file into a single line so you can just focus on the part of the source file that you are interested in.
- dotancohen 5y ago
  Like org-mode?
  - fiddlerwoaroof 5y ago
    It’s more like the literate programming parts of org-mode except Leo is more of a live view, from what I remember.
slightwinder 5y ago
Outlining in this context means to break up a bigger structure in smaller parts. Like break a document up into each individual paragraph, or sourcecode into functions. Each smaller part is then available to be handled in (semi)programatic ways. For example, you can link one part to appear on multiple locations of the document. Or you can write a script which filters the parts and rearranges them in your desired structure. The point of something like leo editor is to have theoretically a unified way to do all that.