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This is even more sad when contrasted with the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. We are rewarding criminal entry into the country and punishin

This is even more sad when contrasted with the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. We are rewarding criminal entry into the country and punishing lawful citizen candidates. Welcome to the era of inverted incentives!

dragonwriter 5y ago
> This is even more sad when contrasted with the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. There's no illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. There are occasional refugee crises and most critically a mistreatment crisis (the latter exacerbated by the people that have, for political purposes, also invented the myth of an illegal immigration crisis), but actual illegal immigration has been low, not a crisis, for some time. > We are rewarding criminal entry into the country Uh, no, there are lots of things you can make colorable arguments about about no-visa entry on the southern border, but that it is being rewarded right now is not one of them.
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  This argument is dishonest or misguided. [1] Illegal immigration is real. There is a [2] crisis at the southern border. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration [2] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/24/politics/biden-harris-texas-migrants/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/24/poli...
  - baybal2 5y ago
    We live in strange times. There used to be a time when kingdoms would raid each other for new subjects, now the opposite is in effect.
    - llampx 5y ago
      Why raid other kingdoms for their most productive subjects, when you can use your economic and cultural might to make them want to come and work for you?
      - baybal2 5y ago
        Indeed, the West braindrains the entirety of Asia, and gets best talent at an unbeatable price. Yet, some come forward, and still complain.
  - prpl 5y ago
    The wait times at the border service centers are lower than the west coast USCIS service centers for green cards, so I don’t think you can say that is the issue here. In addition, there’s a complex system with many centers over the US that deal with immigration and visas (and embassies in particular for the latter), which depend on what you are doing and where you are filing from. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation there.
emptyparadise 5y ago
What bothers me about this sentiment is that many people will interpret it as a call to make illegal immigration harder rather than a call to make legal immigration easier.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> This is even more sad when contrasted with the illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. There's no illegal immigration crisis at the southern border. There are occasional refugee crises and most critically a mistreatment crisis (the latter exacerbated by the people that have, for political purposes, also invented the myth of an illegal immigration crisis), but actual illegal immigration has been low, not a crisis, for some time. > We are rewarding criminal entry into the country Uh, no, there are lots of things you can make colorable arguments about about no-visa entry on the southern border, but that it is being rewarded right now is not one of them.

TrispusAttucks 5y ago
This argument is dishonest or misguided. [1] Illegal immigration is real. There is a [2] crisis at the southern border. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration [2] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/24/politics/biden-harris-texas-migrants/index.html https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/09/24/poli...
- baybal2 5y ago
  We live in strange times. There used to be a time when kingdoms would raid each other for new subjects, now the opposite is in effect.
  - llampx 5y ago
    Why raid other kingdoms for their most productive subjects, when you can use your economic and cultural might to make them want to come and work for you?
    - baybal2 5y ago
      Indeed, the West braindrains the entirety of Asia, and gets best talent at an unbeatable price. Yet, some come forward, and still complain.
- prpl 5y ago
  The wait times at the border service centers are lower than the west coast USCIS service centers for green cards, so I don’t think you can say that is the issue here. In addition, there’s a complex system with many centers over the US that deal with immigration and visas (and embassies in particular for the latter), which depend on what you are doing and where you are filing from. There doesn’t seem to be any correlation there.

emptyparadise 5y ago

What bothers me about this sentiment is that many people will interpret it as a call to make illegal immigration harder rather than a call to make legal immigration easier.