4 ms·

It is very fair to say that this is: a) far too extreme of a position to be useful to anyone b) not true in any sense of the word Classical logic has been beh

It is very fair to say that this is: a) far too extreme of a position to be useful to anyone b) not true in any sense of the word Classical logic has been behind the bulk of mathematical results in the last 100 years or so. It may not be perfect, but no system is.

pphysch 5y ago
By far the bulk of pure mathematical results in the last 100 years have no demonstrated real world function. They are logically sound--and utterly divorced from reality. And any useful innovations tend to come about from dialectical reasoning, because classical logic is incapable of genuine ontological generation. For example, infinitesimal calculus was not "embedded" somewhere in the existing mathematics, waiting to be logically deduced by an expert logician; Newton developed new methods of mathematically modeling unquantifiable quantities to address contradictions in the application of traditional mathematics to physical systems.
- amw-zero 5y ago
  > By far the bulk of mathematical results in the last 100 years have demonstrated no real world function How absolutely arrogant and unappreciative of you to say. You are very divorced from reality. That much is clear - normally I don’t like to get personal, but really. I’m sure you hear this all the time which ferments your bitterness. “It is not the critic who counts”
  - pphysch 5y ago
    I have a degree in mathematics and (PhD) friends who are still in the system. Event they admit that pure mathematics is largely an illusion. But it pays, if you're lucky. Mathematics in general, and logic, are extraordinarily useful tools when applied to real systems. I use them frequently when developing software. However, like every tool, they can metastatize beyond their use. In my opinion that describes the vast bulk of "pure" mathematics and "pure" logic (and "pure" programming).

pphysch 5y ago

By far the bulk of pure mathematical results in the last 100 years have no demonstrated real world function. They are logically sound--and utterly divorced from reality. And any useful innovations tend to come about from dialectical reasoning, because classical logic is incapable of genuine ontological generation. For example, infinitesimal calculus was not "embedded" somewhere in the existing mathematics, waiting to be logically deduced by an expert logician; Newton developed new methods of mathematically modeling unquantifiable quantities to address contradictions in the application of traditional mathematics to physical systems.

amw-zero 5y ago
> By far the bulk of mathematical results in the last 100 years have demonstrated no real world function How absolutely arrogant and unappreciative of you to say. You are very divorced from reality. That much is clear - normally I don’t like to get personal, but really. I’m sure you hear this all the time which ferments your bitterness. “It is not the critic who counts”
- pphysch 5y ago
  I have a degree in mathematics and (PhD) friends who are still in the system. Event they admit that pure mathematics is largely an illusion. But it pays, if you're lucky. Mathematics in general, and logic, are extraordinarily useful tools when applied to real systems. I use them frequently when developing software. However, like every tool, they can metastatize beyond their use. In my opinion that describes the vast bulk of "pure" mathematics and "pure" logic (and "pure" programming).