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Eastern Europe companies flood the rest of the EU with slave like, very cheap truck drivers that have no choice or see their families starve. They will send som

Eastern Europe companies flood the rest of the EU with slave like, very cheap truck drivers that have no choice or see their families starve. They will send some of these and everybody will look away again. I believe to call goes to these companies, not to individuals.

mrtksn 5y ago
What these companies are going to do when the slave visas expire? Are the customers that they suddenly let down for the temporary job offer be waiting with open arms? For companies, it even makes less sense to abandon business partners for a one-off opportunity.
- Cryptonic 5y ago
  No need for visas between EU states. You can work wherever you want/must
bserge 5y ago
A bit dramatic, truck drivers get paid really well for Eastern Europe. 2x-3x the average wage nowadays.
zepearl 5y ago
> Eastern Europe companies flood the rest of the EU with slave like, very cheap truck drivers that have no choice or see their families starve... Sorry, downvoted you even if I'm aware of such companies being extremely cheap (open question about ethics of who hires them), but no report in TV nor newspapers that I ever watched/read ever mentioned such strong words like "slave" nor "starve". As you didn't post any link to potential evidence for your statements (your post style being "matter-of-fact") your post is therefore subjective, which is supposed to be NOK here on HN.
- Cryptonic 5y ago
  Thanks for pointing this out, I'll try to post less matter-of-fact style in the future. I came here leaving reddit behind, maybe this is the reason, so I should adapt. I posted no evidence because I thought it's common knowledge. A slave per definition (wikipedia) is somebody who has no choice, other than to accept the work he/she is told to do, wherever, under whatever conditions and in this case under constant fear of loosing this exploitative employment; in other cases this could involve physical abuse. Yes, under that definition a lot of occupations could be listed. E.g. foreign meat factory workers, hired to work in Germany under hellish conditions, coming from the eastern European nations. Slave-like for me is just a political correct way of saying slavery. It's a big shame for the EU. Under the cover of free trade, the western EU nations exploit the eastern citizens, to keep prices for goods low. Back to the topic. Poland in specific is known for hiring north Korean slave workers https://www.businessinsider.com/lives-of-north-korea-slaves-working-in-abroad-to-prop-up-kim-jong-un-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/lives-of-north-korea-slaves-... and these business men are not much nicer to their own people. About eastern European truck drivers in general you can find a lot on the net https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppv3a9/international-lorry-drivers-swiss-truck-stop-876 https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppv3a9/international-lorry-d... > These drivers from countries like Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Belarus, or Ukraine are often on the road for weeks or even months, and they sit, eat, and sleep on less than three square meters during that time. For many of them, it's the unemployment at home that forces them to drive for any wage—which some carriers will gladly use to their advantage. I found something on German Tagesschau, which is the official German public news source https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/lkw-fahrer-arbeitsbedingungen-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/lkw-fahrer-arb... But true I found nothing about polish companies sending out swarms to GB now. Maybe they will, maybe not. The question was if anybody would sign up for this GB offer. I think no, except someone with no choice. Let's see, maybe it will be a big success story for a few thousand individuals earning a golden nose. I hope so.
  - Cryptonic 5y ago
    Can the voter explain the downvote reason?

mrtksn 5y ago

What these companies are going to do when the slave visas expire? Are the customers that they suddenly let down for the temporary job offer be waiting with open arms? For companies, it even makes less sense to abandon business partners for a one-off opportunity.

Cryptonic 5y ago
No need for visas between EU states. You can work wherever you want/must

bserge 5y ago

A bit dramatic, truck drivers get paid really well for Eastern Europe. 2x-3x the average wage nowadays.

zepearl 5y ago

> Eastern Europe companies flood the rest of the EU with slave like, very cheap truck drivers that have no choice or see their families starve... Sorry, downvoted you even if I'm aware of such companies being extremely cheap (open question about ethics of who hires them), but no report in TV nor newspapers that I ever watched/read ever mentioned such strong words like "slave" nor "starve". As you didn't post any link to potential evidence for your statements (your post style being "matter-of-fact") your post is therefore subjective, which is supposed to be NOK here on HN.

Cryptonic 5y ago
Thanks for pointing this out, I'll try to post less matter-of-fact style in the future. I came here leaving reddit behind, maybe this is the reason, so I should adapt. I posted no evidence because I thought it's common knowledge. A slave per definition (wikipedia) is somebody who has no choice, other than to accept the work he/she is told to do, wherever, under whatever conditions and in this case under constant fear of loosing this exploitative employment; in other cases this could involve physical abuse. Yes, under that definition a lot of occupations could be listed. E.g. foreign meat factory workers, hired to work in Germany under hellish conditions, coming from the eastern European nations. Slave-like for me is just a political correct way of saying slavery. It's a big shame for the EU. Under the cover of free trade, the western EU nations exploit the eastern citizens, to keep prices for goods low. Back to the topic. Poland in specific is known for hiring north Korean slave workers https://www.businessinsider.com/lives-of-north-korea-slaves-working-in-abroad-to-prop-up-kim-jong-un-2018-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/lives-of-north-korea-slaves-... and these business men are not much nicer to their own people. About eastern European truck drivers in general you can find a lot on the net https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppv3a9/international-lorry-drivers-swiss-truck-stop-876 https://www.vice.com/en/article/ppv3a9/international-lorry-d... > These drivers from countries like Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Hungary, Romania, Belarus, or Ukraine are often on the road for weeks or even months, and they sit, eat, and sleep on less than three square meters during that time. For many of them, it's the unemployment at home that forces them to drive for any wage—which some carriers will gladly use to their advantage. I found something on German Tagesschau, which is the official German public news source https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/lkw-fahrer-arbeitsbedingungen-101.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/lkw-fahrer-arb... But true I found nothing about polish companies sending out swarms to GB now. Maybe they will, maybe not. The question was if anybody would sign up for this GB offer. I think no, except someone with no choice. Let's see, maybe it will be a big success story for a few thousand individuals earning a golden nose. I hope so.
- Cryptonic 5y ago
  Can the voter explain the downvote reason?