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Apple probably did not design it this way to make repairs difficult, but rather because it simply worked for them. Why should they need to consider independent

by FDSGSG 5y ago

Apple probably did not design it this way to make repairs difficult, but rather because it simply worked for them. Why should they need to consider independent repair shops? I agree that it's not acceptable for Apple to deliberately sabotage such repairs, but I wouldn't assume that this is deliberate without evidence. I think it's perfectly okay for Apple to make products which are too complicated for most independent repair shops to fix, just like I think it's okay for Ferrari and Lamborghini to do the same. Mandating otherwise would be anti-consumer.

judge2020 5y ago
That's not what's at problem here. It's like how you can't swap parts of the logic board in case they fail (even if they rarely do) because of the design - I don't think many people will be mad at Apple for that. This is where two screens from brand new iPhone 13's can't be swapped without Face ID (which is no longer even attached to the screen) no longer working. Now, this might not be deliberate, especially given the setting app's screen warning doesn't say anything about Face ID being disabled, but it's not a good sign.
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  > which is no longer even attached to the screen It actually is. As was better explained by another HN user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28663927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28663927 I have a really hard time seeing this as any different than the example you gave regarding logic boards.
simion314 5y ago
>I think it's perfectly okay for Apple to make products which are too complicated for most independent repair shops to fix Should not be impossible for a third party to replace a component, if this would be legal for cars we would have been screwed even hard with replacement parts and fixes costs. Imagine the world where you could only replace a Ford windshield or mirror only with a new original Ford(not even recycled one) and you have to have the fix done only in the big city at the Ford official repair shop. Though this days a there is a car company around that wants to be the Apple of cars, hopefully the laws will not get weeker but stronger.
- FDSGSG 5y ago
  >Should not be impossible for a third party to replace a component Well, it's not. It's just hard. >if this would be legal for cars we would have been screwed even hard with replacement parts and fixes costs. I don't think you have worked with modern cars, situations like the Face ID issue here are perfectly normal. Try to do an engine swap in a new car, properly installing the engine does not get you a working car.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >Well, it's not. It's just hard. It seems to me that is is impossible, unless you argue that if I repair my device and Apple disables some features with DRM is just "hard" and is my fault I can't make the impossible and bypass the DRM.
    - simion314 5y ago
      >Try to do an engine swap in a new car, properly installing the engine does not get you a working car. I am sure I don't need to send my Ford car to a Ford shop, third party services have the software needed to handle issues with CPU, maybe Tesla has some DRM and you need to go to an approved person.
      - FDSGSG 5y ago
        Yeah, often stolen dealership software isn't going to be enough for this stuff. Be prepared to spend your time dumping flash chips, reverse engineering and patching firmware.
        simion314 5y ago
        Really? what cars are already doing this? I don't drive a car but people in my family do(second hand Fords so no fancy expensive sport cars), and when they had issues(including replacing core engine stuff or electric stuff) the either bought some after market compatible part or went to the place where they scrap crashed cars and buy original parts from a destroyed car. It would suck if this cars for normal people will get DRMed to hell.

by FDSGSG 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

That's not what's at problem here. It's like how you can't swap parts of the logic board in case they fail (even if they rarely do) because of the design - I don't think many people will be mad at Apple for that. This is where two screens from brand new iPhone 13's can't be swapped without Face ID (which is no longer even attached to the screen) no longer working. Now, this might not be deliberate, especially given the setting app's screen warning doesn't say anything about Face ID being disabled, but it's not a good sign.

FDSGSG 5y ago
> which is no longer even attached to the screen It actually is. As was better explained by another HN user https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28663927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28663927 I have a really hard time seeing this as any different than the example you gave regarding logic boards.

simion314 5y ago

>I think it's perfectly okay for Apple to make products which are too complicated for most independent repair shops to fix Should not be impossible for a third party to replace a component, if this would be legal for cars we would have been screwed even hard with replacement parts and fixes costs. Imagine the world where you could only replace a Ford windshield or mirror only with a new original Ford(not even recycled one) and you have to have the fix done only in the big city at the Ford official repair shop. Though this days a there is a car company around that wants to be the Apple of cars, hopefully the laws will not get weeker but stronger.

FDSGSG 5y ago
>Should not be impossible for a third party to replace a component Well, it's not. It's just hard. >if this would be legal for cars we would have been screwed even hard with replacement parts and fixes costs. I don't think you have worked with modern cars, situations like the Face ID issue here are perfectly normal. Try to do an engine swap in a new car, properly installing the engine does not get you a working car.
- simion314 5y ago
  >Well, it's not. It's just hard. It seems to me that is is impossible, unless you argue that if I repair my device and Apple disables some features with DRM is just "hard" and is my fault I can't make the impossible and bypass the DRM.
  - simion314 5y ago
    >Try to do an engine swap in a new car, properly installing the engine does not get you a working car. I am sure I don't need to send my Ford car to a Ford shop, third party services have the software needed to handle issues with CPU, maybe Tesla has some DRM and you need to go to an approved person.
    - FDSGSG 5y ago
      Yeah, often stolen dealership software isn't going to be enough for this stuff. Be prepared to spend your time dumping flash chips, reverse engineering and patching firmware.
      - simion314 5y ago
        Really? what cars are already doing this? I don't drive a car but people in my family do(second hand Fords so no fancy expensive sport cars), and when they had issues(including replacing core engine stuff or electric stuff) the either bought some after market compatible part or went to the place where they scrap crashed cars and buy original parts from a destroyed car. It would suck if this cars for normal people will get DRMed to hell.