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The reason it won’t work is exactly because you want “both”. Everybody with a reasonable mind knows many southern border crossers are not refugees but illegal

The reason it won’t work is exactly because you want “both”. Everybody with a reasonable mind knows many southern border crossers are not refugees but illegal economic immigrants. And we don’t have a national policy to import unlimited low skill workers. Right now the situation is as simple as this: legal immigrants are held hostage for illegal immigrants.

epistasis 5y ago
> Everybody with a reasonable mind knows many southern border crossers are not refugees but illegal economic immigrants. This is an extremely political opinion, not a "reasonable" one.
- temp8964 5y ago
  There is nothing political about it. Either they are or they are not. Either I am wrong or I am correct. Asylum seeker != refugee.
- crisdux 5y ago
  It is reasonable. Refugee means people fleeing conflict and persecution - not economic hardship. Our elite circles have very recently redefined refugee in quite a revolutionary way.
  - collaborative 5y ago
    Aren't people fleeing drug gang death threats fleeing persecution?
    - ng12 5y ago
      No. According to US law you must be persecuted based on your belonging to a protected category to qualify for asylum.
    - rayiner 5y ago
      No they’re not. They’re fleeing shitty conditions created by the society they come from.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Asylum law is very clear about who qualifies and who does not. It narrowly allows people suffering from persecution in their home country, on account of their race, religion, nationality, membership in a certain social group, or political opinion.[1] It does not apply to anyone and everyone seeking work, or those who want to live in a more wealthy nation. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylu...
ardit33 5y ago
I am an H1B to GC, and the above comment is correct! I am not sure why it is being downvoted. H. Clinton (when she was at state departmet) and Obama had a chance to make a sweeping change to the H1B program, and make it easier for smart people to immigrate and get their GC. Many Republicans were on board on this. The democratic party denied this, they wanted a more 'comprehensive' reform, and tied H1B with the 'low skilled' and illegal immigrant reform as well. The republicans were not on board with that, even though they were willing to reform the H1B. They basically held the H1B suferes/intenured servants, hostage to advance their agenda. (they thought they will be winning the 2016 election). That didn't happen, and Trump got elected, and the rest is story. The tech lobby should be really nervous about what Hillary Clinton just said https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12106796/clinton-immigration-visas https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12106796/clinton-immigration-v...

epistasis 5y ago

> Everybody with a reasonable mind knows many southern border crossers are not refugees but illegal economic immigrants. This is an extremely political opinion, not a "reasonable" one.

temp8964 5y ago
There is nothing political about it. Either they are or they are not. Either I am wrong or I am correct. Asylum seeker != refugee.
crisdux 5y ago
It is reasonable. Refugee means people fleeing conflict and persecution - not economic hardship. Our elite circles have very recently redefined refugee in quite a revolutionary way.
- collaborative 5y ago
  Aren't people fleeing drug gang death threats fleeing persecution?
  - ng12 5y ago
    No. According to US law you must be persecuted based on your belonging to a protected category to qualify for asylum.
  - rayiner 5y ago
    No they’re not. They’re fleeing shitty conditions created by the society they come from.
chitowneats 5y ago
Asylum law is very clear about who qualifies and who does not. It narrowly allows people suffering from persecution in their home country, on account of their race, religion, nationality, membership in a certain social group, or political opinion.[1] It does not apply to anyone and everyone seeking work, or those who want to live in a more wealthy nation. [1] https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylum https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-and-asylum/asylu...

ardit33 5y ago

I am an H1B to GC, and the above comment is correct! I am not sure why it is being downvoted. H. Clinton (when she was at state departmet) and Obama had a chance to make a sweeping change to the H1B program, and make it easier for smart people to immigrate and get their GC. Many Republicans were on board on this. The democratic party denied this, they wanted a more 'comprehensive' reform, and tied H1B with the 'low skilled' and illegal immigrant reform as well. The republicans were not on board with that, even though they were willing to reform the H1B. They basically held the H1B suferes/intenured servants, hostage to advance their agenda. (they thought they will be winning the 2016 election). That didn't happen, and Trump got elected, and the rest is story. The tech lobby should be really nervous about what Hillary Clinton just said https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12106796/clinton-immigration-visas https://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12106796/clinton-immigration-v...