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With all due respect this is madness. If by some hail mary miracle we manage to get Level 5 or even advanced Level 4 that should be the priority for the automo

by GDC7 5y ago

With all due respect this is madness. If by some hail mary miracle we manage to get Level 5 or even advanced Level 4 that should be the priority for the automotive industry, not electrification. Government should throw money at the problem, because once you remove car crashes we basically won't die violently anymore...at least in the West. Call me selfish but I am much more concerned for my safety and the safety of my family members and in general the safety of my contemporaries compared to those who'd inhabit the planet 200 years from now who'd face the effect of Global Warming. Also as Bill Gates eloquently described in his book "How to avoid a Climate disaster" electric cars , should they come alone are basically the low hanging fruit vanity project. We need solutions for steel, cement, farming etc.

redisman 5y ago
> that should be the priority for the automotive industry, not electrification Why on earth would that be? I see electrification as a much more important issue than “self driving” and it’s an actual proven technology. There are no true L4 or L5 implementations without huge asterisks (works geofenced in sunny weather with a human remote driver to bail it out) so it would be insanity to mandate a still mostly fictitious technology
- GDC7 5y ago
  For sure you have somebody in your life who had a car crash? Maybe somebody who is not with us anymore due to a car crash. The health problems caused by ICEs are as easy to solve as wearing an N95 mask. There is no reward in electrification for the people who are alive right now, there maybe is for those who'd be alive 200 years from now if they also come with the hard stuff such as new technologies in farming, electricity generation, cement etc.
theptip 5y ago
Agreed. It’s crazy to selectively disadvantage this sector. Come up with a plan to phase out ICEs, probably with different timelines for business vs. consumer based on typical depreciation schedules, and apply those restrictions across the board. This kind of selective enforcement distorts the market, and will only delay the transition to autonomous vehicles.

by GDC7 5y ago

redisman 5y ago

> that should be the priority for the automotive industry, not electrification Why on earth would that be? I see electrification as a much more important issue than “self driving” and it’s an actual proven technology. There are no true L4 or L5 implementations without huge asterisks (works geofenced in sunny weather with a human remote driver to bail it out) so it would be insanity to mandate a still mostly fictitious technology

GDC7 5y ago
For sure you have somebody in your life who had a car crash? Maybe somebody who is not with us anymore due to a car crash. The health problems caused by ICEs are as easy to solve as wearing an N95 mask. There is no reward in electrification for the people who are alive right now, there maybe is for those who'd be alive 200 years from now if they also come with the hard stuff such as new technologies in farming, electricity generation, cement etc.

theptip 5y ago

Agreed. It’s crazy to selectively disadvantage this sector. Come up with a plan to phase out ICEs, probably with different timelines for business vs. consumer based on typical depreciation schedules, and apply those restrictions across the board. This kind of selective enforcement distorts the market, and will only delay the transition to autonomous vehicles.