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Why do you think even the pro-democracy forces in China see the US's support of "democrats" as a farce? Why do you think the images in HK of protestors with the
by aschlafly 5y ago
Why do you think even the pro-democracy forces in China see the US's support of "democrats" as a farce? Why do you think the images in HK of protestors with the US flag were seen as nothing short of treason, even among the liberals of China? The hypocrisy is so obvious, and the naked self-interest too glaring.
The US's foreign policy has set back the cause of democracy and liberalization in China by decades with its underhanded shenanigans. To recieve their support, even moral support, is the kiss of death in China.
- holaxes 5y agoThere are numerous countries in the world that have becomes democracies inspite of the blundering and corruption of the powers that be in the west. Dont use the US and its dysfunction as an excuse please.
- boomboomsubban 5y agoWhen US dysfunction includes things like regime change and election tampering, it can definitely be used as an excuse. Yes, some countries have independently produced pro-Western democracies, but if they have enough value and start electing anti-Western leaders their democracy will become a target of Western attack. See the ~2002 US backed coup attempt against Hugo Chavez, or the recent Morales elections.
- pphysch 5y agoCan you list some them? Bonus points if outside Western Europe.
- curiousgal 5y agoTunisia.
- fartingflamingo 5y agoNot anymore unfortunately [0]. [0] https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/tunisians-protest-against-presidents-power-grab-opposition-deepens-2021-09-26/ https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/tunisians-protest-again...
- curiousgal 5y agoSee that's the thing, it's not that simple. The ruling party which controlled the parliament for a few years is corrupt. The president, who was democratically elected by the majority of the people, used the constitution to suspend said parliament, with the support of the people. It's definitely an unorthodox move but it relates to one of democracy's limitations; what could be done when an elected party represents its own interests and not the people's?
- fartingflamingo 5y agoLots of factors could be at play indeed. I'm certainly not an expert, but if I read correctly, the man has disbanded parliament and ruled by decree since two months, publicly announcing his disregard for the constitution. To me, that does not count as democratic anymore.
- asdff 5y agoThe former yugoslavia
- refurb 5y agoTaiwan, South Korea, Japan.
- pphysch 5y agoThose are all essentially client states of USA, dependent on USA as security provider. Some even argue they are occupied.
- pessimizer 5y agoI've never heard of those, but I've heard of the countries whose dictators we propped up and helped (often by literally sending lists of names) to exterminate their secular opposition. Then when they have a revolution because the degree of crushing desperation of the populace exceeded the strength of internal policing, the only leaders left are religious, thereby turning the country into a theocracy.