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I don’t think Californias power grid is ready to handle the demands for a massive increase in electronic vehicles on the grid. These timelines are great on pape

I don’t think Californias power grid is ready to handle the demands for a massive increase in electronic vehicles on the grid. These timelines are great on paper and for getting votes by progressives, but the infra can’t handle it.

crocodiletears 5y ago
Doesn't matter. Part of the solutions we're most likely to adopt for the climate crisis involves putting the majority of the population under some form of energy austerity. One of the pushes in of the green and urbanist movements is the phasing out of personal vehicles in favor of shared and public transportation infrastructure. Achieving this goal necessitates that the use of personal vehicles become uneconomic for the masses. Whether or not new infrastructure is built, or public transport becomes pleasant or viable, this goal is eminently achievable through the use of regulatory targets.
jdavis703 5y ago
I’m not too concerned about transmission. Time of day billing can solve this. What concerns me is power generation. We’re phasing out nuclear power, and replacing it with solar (doesn’t work well during most of the times when grid use is low) and then of course natural gas which is obviously problematic.
- justinzollars 5y ago
  I'll plug in my TESLA from 12-1, you plug in yours from 1-2, our neighbor can wake up and charge their TESLA from 3-4, and their neighbor from 4am-5am. Its going to be a warm morning, so no TESLA charging after 6am
justinzollars 5y ago
Why is this fact downvoted? I have friends at PGE and they say exactly this.
- snovv_crash 5y ago
  Can't PG&E massively ramp up infrastructure investment in anticipation to increased demand? Wouldn't this make them a lot of money?
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nostrademons 5y ago
Private infrastructure is largely picking up the slack. The trend among the demographic that can afford EVs is to get solar and a couple PowerWalls as well, and then the home solar system is sized to charge the EVs as well. Also most businesses have installed EV chargers in their parking lots, so you can charge your car while you're at work, during peak solar hours. (Many also have panels on top of the parking spaces.) PG&E doesn't like it because private infrastructure is basically a threat to their public utility monopoly. But that's the direction we're headed.

crocodiletears 5y ago

Doesn't matter. Part of the solutions we're most likely to adopt for the climate crisis involves putting the majority of the population under some form of energy austerity. One of the pushes in of the green and urbanist movements is the phasing out of personal vehicles in favor of shared and public transportation infrastructure. Achieving this goal necessitates that the use of personal vehicles become uneconomic for the masses. Whether or not new infrastructure is built, or public transport becomes pleasant or viable, this goal is eminently achievable through the use of regulatory targets.

jdavis703 5y ago

I’m not too concerned about transmission. Time of day billing can solve this. What concerns me is power generation. We’re phasing out nuclear power, and replacing it with solar (doesn’t work well during most of the times when grid use is low) and then of course natural gas which is obviously problematic.

justinzollars 5y ago
I'll plug in my TESLA from 12-1, you plug in yours from 1-2, our neighbor can wake up and charge their TESLA from 3-4, and their neighbor from 4am-5am. Its going to be a warm morning, so no TESLA charging after 6am

justinzollars 5y ago

Why is this fact downvoted? I have friends at PGE and they say exactly this.

snovv_crash 5y ago
Can't PG&E massively ramp up infrastructure investment in anticipation to increased demand? Wouldn't this make them a lot of money?
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nostrademons 5y ago

Private infrastructure is largely picking up the slack. The trend among the demographic that can afford EVs is to get solar and a couple PowerWalls as well, and then the home solar system is sized to charge the EVs as well. Also most businesses have installed EV chargers in their parking lots, so you can charge your car while you're at work, during peak solar hours. (Many also have panels on top of the parking spaces.) PG&E doesn't like it because private infrastructure is basically a threat to their public utility monopoly. But that's the direction we're headed.