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The Tesla FSD Beta program requires drivers to understand this is a level 2 system. The human driver has to be in the driver's seat paying attention 100% of the

The Tesla FSD Beta program requires drivers to understand this is a level 2 system. The human driver has to be in the driver's seat paying attention 100% of the time. If they move to the back seat they will be banned from the system.

xattt 5y ago
You don’t have to move to the back seat forgo paying attention in a vehicle.
toast0 5y ago
So the Full in full self driving is like the Full in full speed USB? Actually it means not full, but mostly empty?
- gitfan86 5y ago
  Beta as in it isn't done yet, but when it is done it will be safer than most drivers.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    The SFCTA isn't raising concerns about hypothetical technologies that Tesla might release at some point. They are raising concerns about what is actually being delivered in reality.
kube-system 5y ago
Safety critical systems should never be labelled with conflicting statements regarding safe use. Disclaimers aren't a safe way to mitigate this. When given conflicting statements, people tend to psychologically cling to the statement that was the most strong, prominent, or reenforcing to their predisposed views. Also, the driver of a car is not necessarily the owner. There is a long history of people dying because they were confused by conflicting information about safety systems meant to protect them. Safety engineering starts with consistent and clear messaging. It's not 2012 anymore, and there are now a number of vehicles with level 2 driving assistance features on the market. Yet, Tesla is the only manufacturer consistently in the headlines when one of their users is peer-pressured into showing off features their car doesn't actually have.
- gitfan86 5y ago
  I agree that the media unfairly singles out Tesla. I guess there is a lot of people looking for articles that reinforce their view that Teslas are unsafe.
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xattt 5y ago

You don’t have to move to the back seat forgo paying attention in a vehicle.

toast0 5y ago

So the Full in full self driving is like the Full in full speed USB? Actually it means not full, but mostly empty?

gitfan86 5y ago
Beta as in it isn't done yet, but when it is done it will be safer than most drivers.
- kube-system 5y ago
  The SFCTA isn't raising concerns about hypothetical technologies that Tesla might release at some point. They are raising concerns about what is actually being delivered in reality.

kube-system 5y ago

Safety critical systems should never be labelled with conflicting statements regarding safe use. Disclaimers aren't a safe way to mitigate this. When given conflicting statements, people tend to psychologically cling to the statement that was the most strong, prominent, or reenforcing to their predisposed views. Also, the driver of a car is not necessarily the owner. There is a long history of people dying because they were confused by conflicting information about safety systems meant to protect them. Safety engineering starts with consistent and clear messaging. It's not 2012 anymore, and there are now a number of vehicles with level 2 driving assistance features on the market. Yet, Tesla is the only manufacturer consistently in the headlines when one of their users is peer-pressured into showing off features their car doesn't actually have.

gitfan86 5y ago
I agree that the media unfairly singles out Tesla. I guess there is a lot of people looking for articles that reinforce their view that Teslas are unsafe.
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