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You don’t need to be condescending. We all know that using dependencies saves time, and it’s not possible to build any practical software without them. An OS is

You don’t need to be condescending. We all know that using dependencies saves time, and it’s not possible to build any practical software without them. An OS is a dependency. A GUI library is a dependency. A database is a dependency. Sure, you can limit them, but you can’t live without them. That’s not theorizing, that’s the whole industry’s collective wisdom.

hsn915 5y ago
What part of my comment was condescending? > That’s not theorizing, that’s the whole industry’s collective wisdom. There's no wisdom there. The industry is too young to have any meaningful wisdom to speak of. It's mostly fashion driven. > An OS is a dependency. A GUI library is a dependency. A database is a dependency. Well, I did make a distinction in my original post about stable dependencies, and I included the OS as a stable dependency. I also never said you should have "zero" dependencies. My point is about minimizing dependencies as much as you can.
- amw-zero 5y ago
  This was the condescending part: > Have you actually tried to reduce dependencies? > I mean, are you speaking from experience, or just theorizing?
  - hsn915 5y ago
    Why is it condescending? I asked this question because your comment does not jive with my experience. So before countering your point I wanted to confirm whether you had some experience that was opposite to mine or not. Where is the condescension? In my mind I'm being polite and not making assumptions. If I wanted to be condescending I would tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about.
    - speed_spread 5y ago
      TBH, opening your post with "Have you tried X?" _does_ read like a very short step from "you have no idea what you're talking about", whether you meant it like that or not.
    - amw-zero 5y ago
      First, you weren’t condescending to me, you were condescending to someone else. Second, saying “you have no idea what you’re talking about” is aggressive, not condescending. “Have you actually tried X?” is condescending, because it places you in a position of superiority, framed as an “honest” question. If in your mind that is a polite and honest conversation, your mind is clouded, as me an other people have now let you know.
Jensson 5y ago
But you can choose dependencies which has been stable for years. Like OS calls and libraries with a long stable track record. Those are good enough to be productive.

hsn915 5y ago

What part of my comment was condescending? > That’s not theorizing, that’s the whole industry’s collective wisdom. There's no wisdom there. The industry is too young to have any meaningful wisdom to speak of. It's mostly fashion driven. > An OS is a dependency. A GUI library is a dependency. A database is a dependency. Well, I did make a distinction in my original post about stable dependencies, and I included the OS as a stable dependency. I also never said you should have "zero" dependencies. My point is about minimizing dependencies as much as you can.

amw-zero 5y ago
This was the condescending part: > Have you actually tried to reduce dependencies? > I mean, are you speaking from experience, or just theorizing?
- hsn915 5y ago
  Why is it condescending? I asked this question because your comment does not jive with my experience. So before countering your point I wanted to confirm whether you had some experience that was opposite to mine or not. Where is the condescension? In my mind I'm being polite and not making assumptions. If I wanted to be condescending I would tell you that you have no idea what you're talking about.
  - speed_spread 5y ago
    TBH, opening your post with "Have you tried X?" _does_ read like a very short step from "you have no idea what you're talking about", whether you meant it like that or not.
  - amw-zero 5y ago
    First, you weren’t condescending to me, you were condescending to someone else. Second, saying “you have no idea what you’re talking about” is aggressive, not condescending. “Have you actually tried X?” is condescending, because it places you in a position of superiority, framed as an “honest” question. If in your mind that is a polite and honest conversation, your mind is clouded, as me an other people have now let you know.

Jensson 5y ago

But you can choose dependencies which has been stable for years. Like OS calls and libraries with a long stable track record. Those are good enough to be productive.