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> As someone living blissfully unaware of the struggles people go through in countries with rampant government censorship Where do you live? Because I know of

> As someone living blissfully unaware of the struggles people go through in countries with rampant government censorship Where do you live? Because I know of no major country without rampant government censorship. > They want to make sure they have someone by the balls. It's either you personally, or someone willing to step up and take the risk of jailtime on your behalf if you publish anything the Grand Pooh Xi doesn't like. No offense but you make a good argument for why china restricts access. Your comment seems to come from a political operative than someone trying to spin up some web servers in china. > Meanwhile, I can spin up a server in Dubai or South Africa or Brazil like... right now. No paperwork. No prostrating myself in front of the Police to beg for permission to be able to post government-approved content. You make it sound like that's a good thing? It's not. Also, all those countries you listed have censorship... > Remind me, why do we do business with these people again? Why do we give them our money? I don't know. Why are you so desperate to do business in china? Shouldn't you be happy since you aren't doing business in china? I don't understand people like you. You say we shouldn't do business with china. But you whine about not being able to do business in china.

emptysongglass 5y ago
> Your comment seems to come from a political operative than someone trying to spin up some web servers in china. Do you really believe this? Because this screams paranoia to me. I have no idea how you got from GP's comment to suggesting they might be a political operative. I am legitimately baffled by your conclusion. Please explain.
jiggawatts 5y ago
> No offense but you make a good argument for why china restricts access. Oh, I understand precisely why they do it. I don't think those reasons are good, and I don't like the GFW in general. This is the same criticism I level against the policies of North Korea, for example. The policies of NK are good for a small group of people in the "inner circle" of Kim Jong-un and no one else. Similarly, the current system in China is good for the people at the top of that system, and no one else. > Why are you so desperate to do business in china? I'm most certainly not desperate to do business in China. My customers are desperate, and I need to be able to provide services to them. I have similar complaints about other limitations to smooth international trade and business. Some of these aren't even political. - The lack of proper IPv6 support -- especially by cloud vendors -- makes it increasingly difficult to communicate with some areas of the world. Multiple layers of NAT aren't a permanent fix. - No "regions" for the larger public clouds anywhere near central Africa or from Eastern Europe all the way to Siberia. - Poor bandwidth even to some locations that are otherwise very friendly to foreign businesses. For example, Chennai had a submarine cable cut a few years ago that caused havoc for a bunch of my customers. Their outsourced staff just couldn't work half the day. It's not a politically motived firewall barrier, but a bandwidth barrier. The effect however is similar.

emptysongglass 5y ago

> Your comment seems to come from a political operative than someone trying to spin up some web servers in china. Do you really believe this? Because this screams paranoia to me. I have no idea how you got from GP's comment to suggesting they might be a political operative. I am legitimately baffled by your conclusion. Please explain.

jiggawatts 5y ago

> No offense but you make a good argument for why china restricts access. Oh, I understand precisely why they do it. I don't think those reasons are good, and I don't like the GFW in general. This is the same criticism I level against the policies of North Korea, for example. The policies of NK are good for a small group of people in the "inner circle" of Kim Jong-un and no one else. Similarly, the current system in China is good for the people at the top of that system, and no one else. > Why are you so desperate to do business in china? I'm most certainly not desperate to do business in China. My customers are desperate, and I need to be able to provide services to them. I have similar complaints about other limitations to smooth international trade and business. Some of these aren't even political. - The lack of proper IPv6 support -- especially by cloud vendors -- makes it increasingly difficult to communicate with some areas of the world. Multiple layers of NAT aren't a permanent fix. - No "regions" for the larger public clouds anywhere near central Africa or from Eastern Europe all the way to Siberia. - Poor bandwidth even to some locations that are otherwise very friendly to foreign businesses. For example, Chennai had a submarine cable cut a few years ago that caused havoc for a bunch of my customers. Their outsourced staff just couldn't work half the day. It's not a politically motived firewall barrier, but a bandwidth barrier. The effect however is similar.