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> Science is the process of gaining, evaluating, and revising knowledge and understanding, Science is not a body of knowledge. It's an algorithm, not data. So c

> Science is the process of gaining, evaluating, and revising knowledge and understanding, Science is not a body of knowledge. It's an algorithm, not data. So clearly, having access to the largest book ever written does not say anything about scientific literacy. Great description, loved "It's an algorithm, not data." especially. > Here's the thing: people [...] love to not think for themselves. Wtf? I agree with what you write before, but then in this comment you're grossly generalizing and calling people dumb. Why? Does it make you feel better? Maybe you could try to dig into your judgement here and share what emerges? Why do people 'love not to think for themselves', and then why are you different? Or what makes you and a few others uniquely able to see this? I tried to honestly and state my personal state here if you're interested or need inspiration to describe your lens or your experience: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28661179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28661179

nautilius 5y ago
You're reading a lot into my comment that isn't there. So in your experience, people don't read movie reviews, don't listen to sports commentaries, don't read amazon comments? People don't listen to TV personalities telling them that malaria medication is good against COVID? In your experience, people read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long, and discuss existentialism, rather than watching Netflix? Etc.
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- beckman466 5y ago
  > So in your experience, people don't read movie reviews, don't listen to sports commentaries, don't read amazon comments? People don't listen to TV personalities telling them that malaria medication is good against COVID? In your experience, people read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long, and discuss existentialism, rather than watching Netflix? Etc. Your words, not mine. The question I'm trying to get your perspective on is: despite all this (movie review, amazon comments, TV personalities), why do people make bad decisions? You keep saying that they do (and I agree with you) and I'm asking you why you believe that this is the case. Why do they make bad decisions? And a follow up question: why aren't people more hungry to learn (e.g. reading Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long and discussing existentialism if they want to)? Why do they instead watch Netflix, etc.? Am I misunderstanding you somewhere? Please let me know.
  - nautilius 5y ago
    Not "my words", I asked you a question. Oh, I am not claiming I have answers! A lot of things can be explained by people not having time and just rolling with whatever other people have strong opinions on (ever been in an organizing committee, or in a group trying to figure out what to watch on Netflix - at some point you just want this to be over). I think another aspect is simply vanity. It makes some feel special when you have "inside information", and you're "not a sheep" (TM), when in reality, all you do, is run after some other leader. Edit: Systematic misinformation. Have you compared FoxNews and CNN during the Trump presidency? It's like they were reporting about different planets. One group has a significantly better outcome when it comes to COVID, for example (the motivation behind this is, however, a complete mystery to me).
    - beckman466 5y ago
      > Systematic misinformation. Have you compared FoxNews and CNN during the Trump presidency? It's like they were reporting about different planets. One group has a significantly better outcome when it comes to COVID, for example (the motivation behind this is, however, a complete mystery to me). Agreed. I fear that deeply traumatized people like Tucker Carlson aren't able to care much about people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E0NcmcGdSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E0NcmcGdSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwP0XRBjq4&t=37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwP0XRBjq4&t=37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzUC4FUTKII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzUC4FUTKII > Have you compared FoxNews and CNN or is there more? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TsGaNyr0U&t=1785s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TsGaNyr0U&t=1785s
    - naasking 5y ago
      Systematic misinformation follows from motivated reasoning. MSNBC, CNN and Fox all had plenty of it under Trump. MSNBC basically did to Trump what Fox did to Obama. Plenty of studies have shown that liberals and conservatives can read the same studies, and both come away thinking the data supported their positions. And they were both wrong. Nuance is dead.
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nautilius 5y ago

You're reading a lot into my comment that isn't there. So in your experience, people don't read movie reviews, don't listen to sports commentaries, don't read amazon comments? People don't listen to TV personalities telling them that malaria medication is good against COVID? In your experience, people read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long, and discuss existentialism, rather than watching Netflix? Etc.

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beckman466 5y ago
> So in your experience, people don't read movie reviews, don't listen to sports commentaries, don't read amazon comments? People don't listen to TV personalities telling them that malaria medication is good against COVID? In your experience, people read Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long, and discuss existentialism, rather than watching Netflix? Etc. Your words, not mine. The question I'm trying to get your perspective on is: despite all this (movie review, amazon comments, TV personalities), why do people make bad decisions? You keep saying that they do (and I agree with you) and I'm asking you why you believe that this is the case. Why do they make bad decisions? And a follow up question: why aren't people more hungry to learn (e.g. reading Nietzsche and Schopenhauer all day long and discussing existentialism if they want to)? Why do they instead watch Netflix, etc.? Am I misunderstanding you somewhere? Please let me know.
- nautilius 5y ago
  Not "my words", I asked you a question. Oh, I am not claiming I have answers! A lot of things can be explained by people not having time and just rolling with whatever other people have strong opinions on (ever been in an organizing committee, or in a group trying to figure out what to watch on Netflix - at some point you just want this to be over). I think another aspect is simply vanity. It makes some feel special when you have "inside information", and you're "not a sheep" (TM), when in reality, all you do, is run after some other leader. Edit: Systematic misinformation. Have you compared FoxNews and CNN during the Trump presidency? It's like they were reporting about different planets. One group has a significantly better outcome when it comes to COVID, for example (the motivation behind this is, however, a complete mystery to me).
  - beckman466 5y ago
    > Systematic misinformation. Have you compared FoxNews and CNN during the Trump presidency? It's like they were reporting about different planets. One group has a significantly better outcome when it comes to COVID, for example (the motivation behind this is, however, a complete mystery to me). Agreed. I fear that deeply traumatized people like Tucker Carlson aren't able to care much about people. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E0NcmcGdSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E0NcmcGdSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwP0XRBjq4&t=37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQwP0XRBjq4&t=37s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzUC4FUTKII https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzUC4FUTKII > Have you compared FoxNews and CNN or is there more? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TsGaNyr0U&t=1785s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--TsGaNyr0U&t=1785s
  - naasking 5y ago
    Systematic misinformation follows from motivated reasoning. MSNBC, CNN and Fox all had plenty of it under Trump. MSNBC basically did to Trump what Fox did to Obama. Plenty of studies have shown that liberals and conservatives can read the same studies, and both come away thinking the data supported their positions. And they were both wrong. Nuance is dead.
    - 5y ago