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> we have spent 10 years catching up with 2011, after killing Flash. Lol, Flash 3d was built on OpenGL and DirectX, which are still here and have progressed si

by dahart 5y ago

> we have spent 10 years catching up with 2011, after killing Flash. Lol, Flash 3d was built on OpenGL and DirectX, which are still here and have progressed since then. What are we catching up with? Adobe chose to kill flash because of WebGL.

pjmlp 5y ago
Lol, it wasn't Adobe that killed plugins, rather an intifada against browser plugins, that is yet to match Adobe's tooling.
- dahart 5y ago
  Hahaha Flash abuse by advertisers and spammers is a big reason plugins met their well-deserved end. I really am sorry that you lost your favorite tools, Flash was truly awesome for animators and developers. What you’re talking about is separate and independent from GL APIs, which don’t attempt to compete in the artist-facing tooling space at all.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    The irony is that native game development and server side rendering is where all the 3D programming fun is nowadays. Even when WebGPU eventually comes out into stable Chrome, it will take again 10 years to similar adoption, and it won't be anything more than a plain 1.0 MVP, short of many things that Vulkan, Metal and DirectX 12 Ultimate are capable of in 2021. Enjoy your pyrrhic victory.
    - dahart 5y ago
      Safari, made by Apple, was the lone holdout for WebGL2. You’re familiar with Apple’s relationship to Flash. No I won’t be surprised at all if Safari holds out on WebGPU, and it will be precisely because it offers functionality that Metal already has. > Enjoy your pyrrhic victory. I don’t understand why you’re repeatedly spending time on WebGL threads sharing sour grapes about Flash. They don’t compete. At all. WebGL is not an authoring tool, and Flash was. Your sentiment is just laughably misplaced. Adobe killed flash, Adobe alone is where your ire should be aimed, for not making an ecosystem that could withstand abusive content creators.
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        As if WebGL and WebAssembly protect anything against abusive content creators. Worse, they can't be be turned off, can be used for tracking analytics as well and it isn't as if shaders can't be used for mining.
        BrightGlow 5y ago
        Not sure about other browsers but this is incorrect for Chrome and Firefox. They both have flags to disable WebGL and WASM. Please be careful not to spread misinformation, we owe it to ourselves to research our posts well.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        We owe to ourselves to make computers better to the regular user. Those flags are mostly only known to Webdevs and not directly exposed in the settings panel.
        BrightGlow 5y ago
        I don't think the regular user even knows what WebGL and WASM are, they will just wonder why their browser game isn't working and then google the cryptic setting that they have to change to get it to work.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Ah but the browser game will be working, while doing some extra non-game related activities.

by dahart 5y ago

pjmlp 5y ago

Lol, it wasn't Adobe that killed plugins, rather an intifada against browser plugins, that is yet to match Adobe's tooling.

dahart 5y ago
Hahaha Flash abuse by advertisers and spammers is a big reason plugins met their well-deserved end. I really am sorry that you lost your favorite tools, Flash was truly awesome for animators and developers. What you’re talking about is separate and independent from GL APIs, which don’t attempt to compete in the artist-facing tooling space at all.
- pjmlp 5y ago
  The irony is that native game development and server side rendering is where all the 3D programming fun is nowadays. Even when WebGPU eventually comes out into stable Chrome, it will take again 10 years to similar adoption, and it won't be anything more than a plain 1.0 MVP, short of many things that Vulkan, Metal and DirectX 12 Ultimate are capable of in 2021. Enjoy your pyrrhic victory.
  - dahart 5y ago
    Safari, made by Apple, was the lone holdout for WebGL2. You’re familiar with Apple’s relationship to Flash. No I won’t be surprised at all if Safari holds out on WebGPU, and it will be precisely because it offers functionality that Metal already has. > Enjoy your pyrrhic victory. I don’t understand why you’re repeatedly spending time on WebGL threads sharing sour grapes about Flash. They don’t compete. At all. WebGL is not an authoring tool, and Flash was. Your sentiment is just laughably misplaced. Adobe killed flash, Adobe alone is where your ire should be aimed, for not making an ecosystem that could withstand abusive content creators.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      As if WebGL and WebAssembly protect anything against abusive content creators. Worse, they can't be be turned off, can be used for tracking analytics as well and it isn't as if shaders can't be used for mining.
      - BrightGlow 5y ago
        Not sure about other browsers but this is incorrect for Chrome and Firefox. They both have flags to disable WebGL and WASM. Please be careful not to spread misinformation, we owe it to ourselves to research our posts well.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        We owe to ourselves to make computers better to the regular user. Those flags are mostly only known to Webdevs and not directly exposed in the settings panel.
        BrightGlow 5y ago
        I don't think the regular user even knows what WebGL and WASM are, they will just wonder why their browser game isn't working and then google the cryptic setting that they have to change to get it to work.
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Ah but the browser game will be working, while doing some extra non-game related activities.