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No, that would not be a smart approach. Then you can only drive where beacons are installed. If you have no problem with humans driving by hoping they find the

No, that would not be a smart approach. Then you can only drive where beacons are installed. If you have no problem with humans driving by hoping they find the right pixels on their retinas, why would you worry about AI doing the same? If anything, AI has a perfect reaction, is never tired or sleepy or unattentive. It just needs to be taught properly.

lmohseni 5y ago
An AI which “just needs to be taught properly” is the same as a genie or magic pixie which also exist but for “just needing to be taught properly”
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"It just needs to be taught properly." So just like all miracle solutions, .i.e. communism, every time we tried it, we just weren't doing it right.
- bufferoverflow 5y ago
  Technology, not miracle. It's being actively worked on, and there's an undeniable progress. YouTube has plenty of videos of Tesla's self driving system and its progress over the years is very obvious.
  - ClumsyPilot 5y ago
    No, the problem is that AI systems are unpredictable, unverifiable, and their correctness is unprovable. There is a million academic articles detailing this issue. When we need something that works 99.99999% of the time, it is written in ADA or similar safe language and tested exhaustively. You know how long processing will take to the microsecond, you use a special realtime OS, etc. AI will have its own failings, some of them totally unpredictable, so yes, boiling it down to 'just needs to be trained properly' is terrifying when peoples lives are at stake Look at this attack, and tell me how is this goonf to be avoided with 'proper training' https://www.theregister.com/2018/01/11/ai_adversarial_attack_speech_recognition/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/01/11/ai_adversarial_attack...
    - bufferoverflow 5y ago
      > the problem is that AI systems are unpredictable, unverifiable, and their correctness is unprovable. Same can be said about humans. None of what you listed matters in the real world. Self-driving systems just have to be better than average humans, on average, to be useful. > boiling it down to 'just needs to be trained properly' is terrifying when peoples lives are at stake You have no problem with humans being trained to drive. 38.6 thousand people died in car crashes in the US alone last year.
mdoms 5y ago
> Then you can only drive where beacons are installed Uh no, then you can only use automated driving systems where beacons are installed.

lmohseni 5y ago

An AI which “just needs to be taught properly” is the same as a genie or magic pixie which also exist but for “just needing to be taught properly”

ClumsyPilot 5y ago

"It just needs to be taught properly." So just like all miracle solutions, .i.e. communism, every time we tried it, we just weren't doing it right.

bufferoverflow 5y ago
Technology, not miracle. It's being actively worked on, and there's an undeniable progress. YouTube has plenty of videos of Tesla's self driving system and its progress over the years is very obvious.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  No, the problem is that AI systems are unpredictable, unverifiable, and their correctness is unprovable. There is a million academic articles detailing this issue. When we need something that works 99.99999% of the time, it is written in ADA or similar safe language and tested exhaustively. You know how long processing will take to the microsecond, you use a special realtime OS, etc. AI will have its own failings, some of them totally unpredictable, so yes, boiling it down to 'just needs to be trained properly' is terrifying when peoples lives are at stake Look at this attack, and tell me how is this goonf to be avoided with 'proper training' https://www.theregister.com/2018/01/11/ai_adversarial_attack_speech_recognition/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/01/11/ai_adversarial_attack...
  - bufferoverflow 5y ago
    > the problem is that AI systems are unpredictable, unverifiable, and their correctness is unprovable. Same can be said about humans. None of what you listed matters in the real world. Self-driving systems just have to be better than average humans, on average, to be useful. > boiling it down to 'just needs to be trained properly' is terrifying when peoples lives are at stake You have no problem with humans being trained to drive. 38.6 thousand people died in car crashes in the US alone last year.

mdoms 5y ago

> Then you can only drive where beacons are installed Uh no, then you can only use automated driving systems where beacons are installed.