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> I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China I’ve not said that. My comment is in relation to idea that COVID

> I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China I’ve not said that. My comment is in relation to idea that COVID was released from a lab. > They literally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and yet you still defend a dictatorial regime? I’m not interested in defending the CCP, I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. People seem to be much more interested in vilified China, and than they are in the actual origin of COVID. If you wanna criticise the Chinese government, then be my guest, I won’t defend them. But if you’re going to allow a dislike of China to cloud our understanding of where COVID came from then I’m going to make an objection. We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID, not finding reasons to further demonise China. If China have intentionally made it difficult to do that, then criticise the action, but it doesn’t change the fact we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Certainly the evidence is currently stronger than the evidence suggesting a natural jump.

sumedh 5y ago
> We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID Who is we? Is China included as well? > I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? > we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab.
- avianlyric 5y ago
  > Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab. What hell are we talking about then? > China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? You bought this up not me. I personally don’t give a shit what China claims. I’ve certainly never claimed that COVID originated in US, nor supported the idea. I have no evidence, and have done no research on this claim because I think it’s completely irrelevant, why the hell do you keep putting words in mouth? > Who is we? Is China included as well? China can whatever the hell China wants. So no “we” does not include China, I’m only talking about us here on west. Specifically those who seemed to be determined to prove that China is guilty a crime greater than being the unlucky nation where COVID made the jump. Something that’s a naturally occurring event, which is expected to happen on a semi-regular basis. Indeed the lack of new novel virus in the 20th and 21st century is some what notable, especially when you consider how globalised we are as a species.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    > China can whatever the hell China wants So China can murder innocent people all over the world, hide or destroy evidence, buy all the PPE from other nations and not be held accountable and you support this, wow, just wow. > Something that’s a naturally occurring event Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event.
    - throwaway210222 5y ago
      > Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event. Sure: https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 Read it (and the referenced documents) until you truly, deeply understand the science well enough to explain it to someone else. At that point, you will know why the consensus is for natural jump between species. Oh, and calm down, ranting is unbecoming.
      - sumedh 5y ago
        Read the link which you gave again but this time see who has funded it. It was funded by the Chinese govt which we have already established that it cannot be trusted. Dont fall for such state sponsored propaganda and stop making personal attacks using a throwaway account, its very unbecoming.
    - avianlyric 5y ago
      Read the HN guidelines and stop being an arse.
      - sumedh 5y ago
        Post some sources for your claim instead of attacking me.

sumedh 5y ago

> We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID Who is we? Is China included as well? > I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? > we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab.

avianlyric 5y ago
> Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab. What hell are we talking about then? > China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? You bought this up not me. I personally don’t give a shit what China claims. I’ve certainly never claimed that COVID originated in US, nor supported the idea. I have no evidence, and have done no research on this claim because I think it’s completely irrelevant, why the hell do you keep putting words in mouth? > Who is we? Is China included as well? China can whatever the hell China wants. So no “we” does not include China, I’m only talking about us here on west. Specifically those who seemed to be determined to prove that China is guilty a crime greater than being the unlucky nation where COVID made the jump. Something that’s a naturally occurring event, which is expected to happen on a semi-regular basis. Indeed the lack of new novel virus in the 20th and 21st century is some what notable, especially when you consider how globalised we are as a species.
- sumedh 5y ago
  > China can whatever the hell China wants So China can murder innocent people all over the world, hide or destroy evidence, buy all the PPE from other nations and not be held accountable and you support this, wow, just wow. > Something that’s a naturally occurring event Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event.
  - throwaway210222 5y ago
    > Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event. Sure: https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 Read it (and the referenced documents) until you truly, deeply understand the science well enough to explain it to someone else. At that point, you will know why the consensus is for natural jump between species. Oh, and calm down, ranting is unbecoming.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      Read the link which you gave again but this time see who has funded it. It was funded by the Chinese govt which we have already established that it cannot be trusted. Dont fall for such state sponsored propaganda and stop making personal attacks using a throwaway account, its very unbecoming.
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    Read the HN guidelines and stop being an arse.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      Post some sources for your claim instead of attacking me.