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That is a pretty broad brush. Would you be ok with a strip club and liquor store next to a elementary school? I wouldn't, and appreciate zoning laws for that r

by snomad 5y ago

That is a pretty broad brush. Would you be ok with a strip club and liquor store next to a elementary school? I wouldn't, and appreciate zoning laws for that reason. Simply blaming NIMYism feels like lazy analysis. Every community is different.. how, why, and where things are built is far too complex to explain w/one word.

candiodari 5y ago
However 99.9% of communities seem to refuse things necessary things from bus stops to trams to homeless shelters. And frankly, from a homeowner's perspective I fully understand why.
mkr-hn 5y ago
What actual harm would come from a school being next to a liquor store or strip club? It's not like an elementary school kid is going to sneak in to the latter or buy anything from the former on a fake ID. The buses I had in school took me past plenty of places I could have walked to that sold--and advertised in plain view--alcohol and things much more racy than you'd see in a strip club, and that was 1990s Georgia.
- avianlyric 5y ago
  In U.K. there’s been some studies on stuff like this. There is a link between the availability of liquor stores and fast food restaurants near school, and students consuming unhealthy levels of both. (For liquor you just pay some random in the street to buy for you, or you find a store that doesn’t ID). As with many things in life, if you make something convenient, people will use it more. As a result fast food restaurants and off licences are generally restricted from be built near schools, and for fast food restaurants, also delivering to schools. Obviously elementary school children are probably to young to be influenced by either, the but the above applies for older age groups. I don’t think strict zoning is the right approach to solve issues like this, it’s an extremely crude tool for urban planning. But specific, evidence backed (I.e. there’s strong evidence that co-locating these buildings have significant negative impacts on local populations), restrictions on what types of buildings can co-exist seems reasonable.
patrick451 5y ago
> Would you be ok with a strip club and liquor store next to a elementary school? I wouldn't, and appreciate zoning laws for that reason. Not in your backyard indeed. Others don't want multi-family low-income housing in their neighborhood either for presumably similar reasons.

by snomad 5y ago

candiodari 5y ago

However 99.9% of communities seem to refuse things necessary things from bus stops to trams to homeless shelters. And frankly, from a homeowner's perspective I fully understand why.

mkr-hn 5y ago

What actual harm would come from a school being next to a liquor store or strip club? It's not like an elementary school kid is going to sneak in to the latter or buy anything from the former on a fake ID. The buses I had in school took me past plenty of places I could have walked to that sold--and advertised in plain view--alcohol and things much more racy than you'd see in a strip club, and that was 1990s Georgia.

avianlyric 5y ago
In U.K. there’s been some studies on stuff like this. There is a link between the availability of liquor stores and fast food restaurants near school, and students consuming unhealthy levels of both. (For liquor you just pay some random in the street to buy for you, or you find a store that doesn’t ID). As with many things in life, if you make something convenient, people will use it more. As a result fast food restaurants and off licences are generally restricted from be built near schools, and for fast food restaurants, also delivering to schools. Obviously elementary school children are probably to young to be influenced by either, the but the above applies for older age groups. I don’t think strict zoning is the right approach to solve issues like this, it’s an extremely crude tool for urban planning. But specific, evidence backed (I.e. there’s strong evidence that co-locating these buildings have significant negative impacts on local populations), restrictions on what types of buildings can co-exist seems reasonable.

patrick451 5y ago

> Would you be ok with a strip club and liquor store next to a elementary school? I wouldn't, and appreciate zoning laws for that reason. Not in your backyard indeed. Others don't want multi-family low-income housing in their neighborhood either for presumably similar reasons.