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How will it kill people exactly? You mean the people that (despite the countless warnings and explanations) still think that they can completely ignore their su

How will it kill people exactly? You mean the people that (despite the countless warnings and explanations) still think that they can completely ignore their surroundings… then what? The very cautious auto driving car that follows the speed limit and is criticised for being “too conservative” will… do what exactly?

jdlshore 5y ago
You seem to think Tesla’s system is perfectly safe. I’ve seen nothing that indicates that—just the opposite, in fact.
- onethought 5y ago
  Could you reference an FSD safety incident? I know there have been some autopilot accidents but that’s not this system.
  - jdlshore 5y ago
    Do a web search for “Tesla fsd beta scary” for video examples.
    - onethought 5y ago
      The only examples I could find were of people uncomfortable with the automation, but not scared of an accident. Also no actual accident. Do you have a direct link?
      - short_sells_poo 5y ago
        My contention is only indirectly with the safety of the system, and mostly with the labeling and messaging. A cruise control system that is unsafe to leave unattended but isn't called "Fully Self-Driving" or even "Autopilot" is fine. There's no ambiguity. Everyone knows that cruise control is a dumb system that will happily crash you into the wall. However, I have issues with calling and marketing something "Fully Self-Driving" and then adding paragraphs of text to explain that it's actually not fully autonomous, in fact it's not supposed to be autonomous at all and the driver has to have their full attention on the road and hands on the wheel and any other operation is dangerous. If this was something benign, I'd just consider it disingenuous and shady marketing (that seems par for the course for corporations), but in case of a 2 ton vehicle it's not just their own customers at risk, but everyone around them. Yes, you and me know what this system really is and can approach it responsibly. But we see so much evidence that there are many people who have no scruples about ignoring this (willfully or not) and assuming that the system must be good enough if it's called "Fully Self-Driving" to unpack a lunch on their lap.

jdlshore 5y ago

You seem to think Tesla’s system is perfectly safe. I’ve seen nothing that indicates that—just the opposite, in fact.

onethought 5y ago
Could you reference an FSD safety incident? I know there have been some autopilot accidents but that’s not this system.
- jdlshore 5y ago
  Do a web search for “Tesla fsd beta scary” for video examples.
  - onethought 5y ago
    The only examples I could find were of people uncomfortable with the automation, but not scared of an accident. Also no actual accident. Do you have a direct link?
    - short_sells_poo 5y ago
      My contention is only indirectly with the safety of the system, and mostly with the labeling and messaging. A cruise control system that is unsafe to leave unattended but isn't called "Fully Self-Driving" or even "Autopilot" is fine. There's no ambiguity. Everyone knows that cruise control is a dumb system that will happily crash you into the wall. However, I have issues with calling and marketing something "Fully Self-Driving" and then adding paragraphs of text to explain that it's actually not fully autonomous, in fact it's not supposed to be autonomous at all and the driver has to have their full attention on the road and hands on the wheel and any other operation is dangerous. If this was something benign, I'd just consider it disingenuous and shady marketing (that seems par for the course for corporations), but in case of a 2 ton vehicle it's not just their own customers at risk, but everyone around them. Yes, you and me know what this system really is and can approach it responsibly. But we see so much evidence that there are many people who have no scruples about ignoring this (willfully or not) and assuming that the system must be good enough if it's called "Fully Self-Driving" to unpack a lunch on their lap.