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China hasn’t tried to hide the evidence that COVID stated there. But to “hold China accountable” implicitly makes the assumption that they did something wrong a

China hasn’t tried to hide the evidence that COVID stated there. But to “hold China accountable” implicitly makes the assumption that they did something wrong and should be punished. There’s a number of perfectly reasonable ways for COVID to start without China doing anything, and making accusations based on thin evidence is not going to encourage collaboration.

sumedh 5y ago
> China hasn’t tried to hide the evidence that COVID stated there. That is not true, China claims Covid started in the US. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58273322 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58273322 > making accusations based on thin evidence is not going to encourage collaboration. exactly which is why China should have been completely honest and transparent from the start. I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China, we know China delayed in giving crucial data about Covid, they dont support an honest investigation, China bought PPE from other nations leaving them exposed. They literally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and yet you still defend a dictatorial regime?
- avianlyric 5y ago
  > I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China I’ve not said that. My comment is in relation to idea that COVID was released from a lab. > They literally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and yet you still defend a dictatorial regime? I’m not interested in defending the CCP, I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. People seem to be much more interested in vilified China, and than they are in the actual origin of COVID. If you wanna criticise the Chinese government, then be my guest, I won’t defend them. But if you’re going to allow a dislike of China to cloud our understanding of where COVID came from then I’m going to make an objection. We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID, not finding reasons to further demonise China. If China have intentionally made it difficult to do that, then criticise the action, but it doesn’t change the fact we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Certainly the evidence is currently stronger than the evidence suggesting a natural jump.
  - sumedh 5y ago
    > We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID Who is we? Is China included as well? > I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? > we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab.
    - avianlyric 5y ago
      > Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab. What hell are we talking about then? > China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? You bought this up not me. I personally don’t give a shit what China claims. I’ve certainly never claimed that COVID originated in US, nor supported the idea. I have no evidence, and have done no research on this claim because I think it’s completely irrelevant, why the hell do you keep putting words in mouth? > Who is we? Is China included as well? China can whatever the hell China wants. So no “we” does not include China, I’m only talking about us here on west. Specifically those who seemed to be determined to prove that China is guilty a crime greater than being the unlucky nation where COVID made the jump. Something that’s a naturally occurring event, which is expected to happen on a semi-regular basis. Indeed the lack of new novel virus in the 20th and 21st century is some what notable, especially when you consider how globalised we are as a species.
      - sumedh 5y ago
        > China can whatever the hell China wants So China can murder innocent people all over the world, hide or destroy evidence, buy all the PPE from other nations and not be held accountable and you support this, wow, just wow. > Something that’s a naturally occurring event Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event.
        throwaway210222 5y ago
        > Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event. Sure: https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 Read it (and the referenced documents) until you truly, deeply understand the science well enough to explain it to someone else. At that point, you will know why the consensus is for natural jump between species. Oh, and calm down, ranting is unbecoming.

sumedh 5y ago

> China hasn’t tried to hide the evidence that COVID stated there. That is not true, China claims Covid started in the US. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58273322 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58273322 > making accusations based on thin evidence is not going to encourage collaboration. exactly which is why China should have been completely honest and transparent from the start. I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China, we know China delayed in giving crucial data about Covid, they dont support an honest investigation, China bought PPE from other nations leaving them exposed. They literally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and yet you still defend a dictatorial regime?

avianlyric 5y ago
> I dont understand why you keep saying there is thin evidence, we know Covid started in China I’ve not said that. My comment is in relation to idea that COVID was released from a lab. > They literally murdered hundreds of thousands of innocent people and yet you still defend a dictatorial regime? I’m not interested in defending the CCP, I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. People seem to be much more interested in vilified China, and than they are in the actual origin of COVID. If you wanna criticise the Chinese government, then be my guest, I won’t defend them. But if you’re going to allow a dislike of China to cloud our understanding of where COVID came from then I’m going to make an objection. We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID, not finding reasons to further demonise China. If China have intentionally made it difficult to do that, then criticise the action, but it doesn’t change the fact we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Certainly the evidence is currently stronger than the evidence suggesting a natural jump.
- sumedh 5y ago
  > We should focus on evidencing the origin of COVID Who is we? Is China included as well? > I just take offence at the idea of the search for the origin of COVID being a witch hunt. China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? > we don’t have strong evidence of a lab release. Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab.
  - avianlyric 5y ago
    > Please read my comments again, I never claimed it leaked from a lab. What hell are we talking about then? > China claims Covid started in the US, where is the evidence for that? You bought this up not me. I personally don’t give a shit what China claims. I’ve certainly never claimed that COVID originated in US, nor supported the idea. I have no evidence, and have done no research on this claim because I think it’s completely irrelevant, why the hell do you keep putting words in mouth? > Who is we? Is China included as well? China can whatever the hell China wants. So no “we” does not include China, I’m only talking about us here on west. Specifically those who seemed to be determined to prove that China is guilty a crime greater than being the unlucky nation where COVID made the jump. Something that’s a naturally occurring event, which is expected to happen on a semi-regular basis. Indeed the lack of new novel virus in the 20th and 21st century is some what notable, especially when you consider how globalised we are as a species.
    - sumedh 5y ago
      > China can whatever the hell China wants So China can murder innocent people all over the world, hide or destroy evidence, buy all the PPE from other nations and not be held accountable and you support this, wow, just wow. > Something that’s a naturally occurring event Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event.
      - throwaway210222 5y ago
        > Can you give some evidence for this wild claim that Covid was a naturally occurring event. Sure: https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 https://journals.asm.org/doi/pdf/10.1128/JVI.00902-20 Read it (and the referenced documents) until you truly, deeply understand the science well enough to explain it to someone else. At that point, you will know why the consensus is for natural jump between species. Oh, and calm down, ranting is unbecoming.