> This anti-car shit is already way beyond tiresome, especially from some L.A douche. L.A. is a COUNTY, not a city. It's not fucking Amsterdam; it's a sprawling

> This anti-car shit is already way beyond tiresome, especially from some L.A douche. L.A. is a COUNTY, not a city. It's not fucking Amsterdam; it's a sprawling geographic region with no public transportation to speak of. Build some, then. How do you think Amsterdam got where they did? >Therefore it's time to stop whining that people in such places have cars, and stop pretending that everyone else is somehow "paying" for them. Car owners pay and pay and pay. - Taxes on cars do not cover the cost of roads - Taxes on cars do not cover the increased development cost caused by parking minimums, single family zoning and other complete non-sense zoning rules - Taxes on cars definitely do not pay for the negative externalities they have on the climate - Taxes on cars do not pay for the large amount of deaths they cause Of course, given what the U.S is today, actually making car ownership pay for what it costs would be unfeasible, since this would likely further drive low class people into ruination - which is why it's important to start developing actual alternatives that they can use - bicycle infrastructure, walkable urban environments and public transportation. > You can spot the developer shills in any urban-living-related forum; they're the ones claiming that the elimination of parking requirements will allow people to ride their bikes to the grocery store in the rain and snow. Or to carry 30 bags of dirt on their bikes. Or lumber. Or a table saw. A dresser too. Yes, clearly this is every single trip that anyone could ever consider making. Hence the only conclusion is that every person in the world must have a car. Except that is not true, and there is evidence against it out in the world. I move around the world using walking, bicycling and public transportation. I can do this because I do not live in the U.S, where such a lifestyle would be impossible. As for how I tackle the challenges you listed in your examples: - Groceries: I used to buy my groceries using public transportation, but I have now transitioned to a conbination of getting my groceries delivered and walking 2 minutes to my local supermarket - 30 bags of dirt, lumber, table saw: I rarely have the use-case to transport what I assume is building materials, but should I need to do so, I would likely have it delivered (which costs less than owning a car). This is what I did when I bought lumber for my patio, at least. - Dresser: The last time I transported something like this, I used an uber-style service and had it delivered door-to-door very cheaply. We can easily conclude that car ownership is not necessary, even when listing the most convoluted use-cases that you did.