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But the server code doesn't mean anything the most important thing is E2EE happen on device and the server is just a messenger. Signal is the most trusted app

But the server code doesn't mean anything the most important thing is E2EE happen on device and the server is just a messenger. Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries.

NullPrefix 5y ago
>Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries. Element and the Matrix protocol would disagree.
- ryanlol 5y ago
  Are Element and the Matrix protocol situated in authoritarian countries, how can they disagree Anyway, no, this doesn’t reflect real usage.
  - kitkat_new 5y ago
    Matrix servers can be hosted by anyone and conversations are decentralized, i.e. can't be taken down easily. the Matrix protocol is accessible to anyone understanding English and having access to the web. It is even being worked on enabling P2P with Matrix, i.e. each client can spin up a local server that communicates with others (servers) via Bluetooth and other means of transports even if there is not a direct connection possible see https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/06/introducing-the-pinecone-overlay-network https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/06/introducing-the-pinecone-...
    - ryanlol 5y ago
      Doesn’t mean that it’s anywhere near widely enough used to be the “most trusted”.
      - kitkat_new 5y ago
        but it shows that your argumentation to show that it wouldn't be is flawed, and it is certainly possible that more trust is put in Matrix than it is into Signal
        ryanlol 5y ago
        I’m not saying that it couldn’t be, I’m saying that it isn’t.
        kitkat_new 5y ago
        I am not saying it could become either. Saying that it isn't is a bold claim to be backed up by proper arguments
        ryanlol 5y ago
        The original claim is the one which requires evidence, much harder to prove a negative.
        kitkat_new 5y ago
        the original claim is: > Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries.
immapotato 5y ago
No it's not. When Belarus had it's internet blackout last summer, Telegram was the only option to communicate to the outside world. Multiple persons asked if Signal is going to do anything about it, like enable censorship circumvention but it was never addressed[1]. PS. Check the comment section of the tweet. [1] https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1293377583891980293?lang=en https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1293377583891980293?lan...
- ryanlol 5y ago
  Of course Telegram worked in Belarus, why would Lukashenko block the unencrypted messenger operated by his allies?

But the server code doesn't mean anything the most important thing is E2EE happen on device and the server is just a messenger. Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries.

NullPrefix 5y ago

>Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries. Element and the Matrix protocol would disagree.

ryanlol 5y ago
Are Element and the Matrix protocol situated in authoritarian countries, how can they disagree Anyway, no, this doesn’t reflect real usage.
- kitkat_new 5y ago
  Matrix servers can be hosted by anyone and conversations are decentralized, i.e. can't be taken down easily. the Matrix protocol is accessible to anyone understanding English and having access to the web. It is even being worked on enabling P2P with Matrix, i.e. each client can spin up a local server that communicates with others (servers) via Bluetooth and other means of transports even if there is not a direct connection possible see https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/06/introducing-the-pinecone-overlay-network https://matrix.org/blog/2021/05/06/introducing-the-pinecone-...
  - ryanlol 5y ago
    Doesn’t mean that it’s anywhere near widely enough used to be the “most trusted”.
    - kitkat_new 5y ago
      but it shows that your argumentation to show that it wouldn't be is flawed, and it is certainly possible that more trust is put in Matrix than it is into Signal
      - ryanlol 5y ago
        I’m not saying that it couldn’t be, I’m saying that it isn’t.
        kitkat_new 5y ago
        I am not saying it could become either. Saying that it isn't is a bold claim to be backed up by proper arguments
        ryanlol 5y ago
        The original claim is the one which requires evidence, much harder to prove a negative.
        kitkat_new 5y ago
        the original claim is: > Signal is the most trusted app in authoritarian countries.

immapotato 5y ago

No it's not. When Belarus had it's internet blackout last summer, Telegram was the only option to communicate to the outside world. Multiple persons asked if Signal is going to do anything about it, like enable censorship circumvention but it was never addressed[1]. PS. Check the comment section of the tweet. [1] https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1293377583891980293?lang=en https://twitter.com/signalapp/status/1293377583891980293?lan...

ryanlol 5y ago
Of course Telegram worked in Belarus, why would Lukashenko block the unencrypted messenger operated by his allies?