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YouTube has its own systems because the music studios always have a trick up their sleeve if YT doesn't dance: they can just stop uploading MVs to YouTube. That

by judge2020 5y ago

YouTube has its own systems because the music studios always have a trick up their sleeve if YT doesn't dance: they can just stop uploading MVs to YouTube. That's 25% of all views on the platform[0]. I'm sure Spotify would love to take all of those. 0: https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/09/15/youtube-music-viewer-hours/ https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/09/15/youtube-music-vi...

CobrastanJorji 5y ago
Well, two tricks. The other one is massive lawsuit against YouTube for no longer "doing enough" to prevent copyright infringement. Viacom v. YouTube started in 2007, was reversed several times, and really only ended because they settled, the settlement being secret but I'd guess probably directly lead to ContentID. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._YouTube,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._Y....
LordDragonfang 5y ago
>they can just stop uploading MVs to YouTube. What, and stop being able to get free advertising on what is effectively the largest audio streaming website on the internet? In an actually free market, any media company that tried this would immediately get eclipsed by the rest. But instead, we have a small number of record conglomerates that have formed a trust to bully everyone else to play on their terms, and the US gov refuses to trust-bust until it starts becoming a threat to their political power.
- rndgermandude 5y ago
  >What, and stop being able to get free advertising on what is effectively the largest audio streaming website on the internet? Not just free advertising. A damn lot of these music videos are "monetized", and about of half the ad revenue goes to the studios (if and how much of that money is passed on to the artists... that's another question). Youtube should do proper DMCA, I fully agree, at least when it comes to the notice-counternotice-lawsuit process defined by the law. However, it's not as easy. The DMCA is law in the United States, but - surprisingly to some (I have dealt with processing DMCA notices and similar, not for Youtube/Google tho) - it is not a law elsewhere and other nations have their own laws. Even the question of what happens when there is a dispute and party A is in the US and party B is e.g. in Germany is not that easy... Not even what jurisdiction Youtube itself then falls under. Browsing Youtube from Germany gives an imprint that states that the service is provided by Google Ireland Limited (the EU mothership) but also mentions the legal department of Google Germany GmbH (the German subsidiary). Youtube has been sued in German courts over copyright before (e.g. the GEMA case), and Youtube did show up because if they had ignored it instead they would have risked losing the entire German market, if not the EU market. The kafka-esque system they have right now - with three strikes, ContentID, reporting made extremely easy for alleged copyright owners, challenging these reports made difficult and black box for the channel owners - is most likely a result of their legal department pushing for the global lowest common denominator of any jurisdiction they care about with the smallest risk of Youtube being sued and found liable for user conduct in those jurisdictions.

CobrastanJorji 5y ago

Well, two tricks. The other one is massive lawsuit against YouTube for no longer "doing enough" to prevent copyright infringement. Viacom v. YouTube started in 2007, was reversed several times, and really only ended because they settled, the settlement being secret but I'd guess probably directly lead to ContentID. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._YouTube,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viacom_International_Inc._v._Y....

LordDragonfang 5y ago

>they can just stop uploading MVs to YouTube. What, and stop being able to get free advertising on what is effectively the largest audio streaming website on the internet? In an actually free market, any media company that tried this would immediately get eclipsed by the rest. But instead, we have a small number of record conglomerates that have formed a trust to bully everyone else to play on their terms, and the US gov refuses to trust-bust until it starts becoming a threat to their political power.

rndgermandude 5y ago
>What, and stop being able to get free advertising on what is effectively the largest audio streaming website on the internet? Not just free advertising. A damn lot of these music videos are "monetized", and about of half the ad revenue goes to the studios (if and how much of that money is passed on to the artists... that's another question). Youtube should do proper DMCA, I fully agree, at least when it comes to the notice-counternotice-lawsuit process defined by the law. However, it's not as easy. The DMCA is law in the United States, but - surprisingly to some (I have dealt with processing DMCA notices and similar, not for Youtube/Google tho) - it is not a law elsewhere and other nations have their own laws. Even the question of what happens when there is a dispute and party A is in the US and party B is e.g. in Germany is not that easy... Not even what jurisdiction Youtube itself then falls under. Browsing Youtube from Germany gives an imprint that states that the service is provided by Google Ireland Limited (the EU mothership) but also mentions the legal department of Google Germany GmbH (the German subsidiary). Youtube has been sued in German courts over copyright before (e.g. the GEMA case), and Youtube did show up because if they had ignored it instead they would have risked losing the entire German market, if not the EU market. The kafka-esque system they have right now - with three strikes, ContentID, reporting made extremely easy for alleged copyright owners, challenging these reports made difficult and black box for the channel owners - is most likely a result of their legal department pushing for the global lowest common denominator of any jurisdiction they care about with the smallest risk of Youtube being sued and found liable for user conduct in those jurisdictions.