> One can find examples of both religion and secular philosophy promoting irrational thinking This is whataboutism to an absurd degree. "Yeah, religion is not

> One can find examples of both religion and secular philosophy promoting irrational thinking This is whataboutism to an absurd degree. "Yeah, religion is not perfect, but atheism is not perfect either, so they're both on par". No, they're not. > and I don't see any evidence that people who abandon religion automatically become more rational. They just abandoned an irrational belief, so by definition, they are immediately more rational.