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Even if that's true -- and you've provided no proof -- the data would most likely get stored on iCloud, and just like iPhotos, Apple will decide one day to just

Even if that's true -- and you've provided no proof -- the data would most likely get stored on iCloud, and just like iPhotos, Apple will decide one day to just start trolling through it for fun and profit. CSAM is coming back in other ways. Apple will try again.

user-the-name 5y ago
Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it.
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  As has been discussed often the keys to decrypt iCloud data are also stored on iCloud, so it's trivial to unencrypt the data. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly-nixed-plan-for-end-to-end-encryption-in-iphone-backups/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly... https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end...
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    And why, exactly, did they try to make it impossible for themselves to do this, if that is something they actually want to do?
    - hungryforcodes 5y ago
      It's not impossible. They do this all the time for law enforcement. Did even read the links?
      - user-the-name 5y ago
        I read the article, which said Apple wanted to make this impossible for themselves, but then police complained so they didn't. If they wanted to do it in the first place, why did they go to the effort of trying to make it impossible and had to be stopped by police?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm assuming the FBI and various other law enforcement agencies would have kept pushing for access anyways, most likely by escalating to legal or legislative means ("let's ban encryption" type thing). Despite what one may think of the police, they do have a legal basis for attempting to collect possible evidence in the natural course of their duties when equipped with an appropriate warrant. In such cases Apple might have been exposed to any number of different legal problems, including obstruction of justice accusations. So it was probably just easier for Apple to comply. But who knows what the thinking was.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        No, I am asking you why you keep claiming again and again that Apple wants this data. You have this clear evidence that they tried to make it harder to for themselves to get this data. Why would they do that, if they want the data? Are they just complete morons?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        We started with this statement though: "Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it." Whatever anyone is saying, they CAN access it if they want, and do so for law enforcement as needed. From what I understand you are the one that seems to believe that Apple has tried to make it hard for themselves. I've been saying all along it's trivial for them to unlock iCloud data. As to why I say that -- the recent CSAM thing made me realize that I don't trust them. It's a personal thing. Nor do I really care. I don't use Apple anymore, and I sleep better at night.

user-the-name 5y ago

Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it.

hungryforcodes 5y ago
As has been discussed often the keys to decrypt iCloud data are also stored on iCloud, so it's trivial to unencrypt the data. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly-nixed-plan-for-end-to-end-encryption-in-iphone-backups/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/01/apple-reportedly... https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end-to-end-encryption-scrapped-fbi-reuters-report https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/21/21075033/apple-icloud-end...
- user-the-name 5y ago
  And why, exactly, did they try to make it impossible for themselves to do this, if that is something they actually want to do?
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    It's not impossible. They do this all the time for law enforcement. Did even read the links?
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      I read the article, which said Apple wanted to make this impossible for themselves, but then police complained so they didn't. If they wanted to do it in the first place, why did they go to the effort of trying to make it impossible and had to be stopped by police?
      - hungryforcodes 5y ago
        I'm assuming the FBI and various other law enforcement agencies would have kept pushing for access anyways, most likely by escalating to legal or legislative means ("let's ban encryption" type thing). Despite what one may think of the police, they do have a legal basis for attempting to collect possible evidence in the natural course of their duties when equipped with an appropriate warrant. In such cases Apple might have been exposed to any number of different legal problems, including obstruction of justice accusations. So it was probably just easier for Apple to comply. But who knows what the thinking was.
        user-the-name 5y ago
        No, I am asking you why you keep claiming again and again that Apple wants this data. You have this clear evidence that they tried to make it harder to for themselves to get this data. Why would they do that, if they want the data? Are they just complete morons?
        hungryforcodes 5y ago
        We started with this statement though: "Apple health data stored on iCloud is encrypted so that Apple can not access it." Whatever anyone is saying, they CAN access it if they want, and do so for law enforcement as needed. From what I understand you are the one that seems to believe that Apple has tried to make it hard for themselves. I've been saying all along it's trivial for them to unlock iCloud data. As to why I say that -- the recent CSAM thing made me realize that I don't trust them. It's a personal thing. Nor do I really care. I don't use Apple anymore, and I sleep better at night.