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Norway to end coronavirus-related restrictions on Saturday

46 points by lando2319 5y ago

version_five 5y ago
I wonder how the authoritarians in western countries will explain this. Will people be pearl clutching and tweeting "People will die!" and calling people in nordic countries alt-right anti-vaxxers because they've moved on with life? I wonder if politicians in western countries will be willing to give up the power that covid gives them and let people get back to normal.
- petre 5y ago
  Probably when their economies are in ruin and people will hit the streets demanding their resignation. It already happens. Too bad they're led by anti vaxxers and right wing groups and are dismissed as such by news outlets. Lockdown measures in most democratic countries are anti constitutional anyway, not to mention anti democratic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_responses_to_t...
  - iammisc 5y ago
    Why is it bad they're held by right wingers exactly?
    - petre 5y ago
      Because they get dismissed as nazis and anti vaxxers protesting against corona, move on, when in fact these people are exercising their rights of association and freedom of expression. If you have a bunch of crazies in a group, it gets labelled as the crazy group.
      - a0-prw 5y ago
        Yes, but my guess is the irrational crazies are also the ones who have the passion and balls to lead in potentially violent confrontations. Moderately dissatisfied people probably look at the work and risk associated with organizing and participating in protests and think nah.
        petre 5y ago
        Yes, unfortunately that's the risk of protests, getting monopolized by crazies, or infiltrated by the political establishment with violent thugs and delegitimized. Moderately dissatisfied people with probably vote with right wing crazies, like it happened in Germany in 1929, ultimately leading to WW2 and the hollocaust.
- hactually 5y ago
  What's to explain? Their cited figures include children. They're at 90.2% of adults having first shot and 80% have had both. You can't claim the non fascists are pearl clutching while you're clutching at straws.
2143 5y ago
I've never been to Norway, but looking at the stats [1], isn't it a little too soon? Also, from what I understand, in Nordic countries people tend to stay alone. If this is true, is there a lower spread of covid-19 in such countries compared to more extroverted countries? [1] https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  Covid is already endemic. Most of the world already had some variant. What exactly are we waiting for?
  - peakaboo 5y ago
    We are waiting for a new variant of covid to be produced, so more booster shots are needed, so the pharmaceutical companies can continue to push for health passes into citizen passes with citizen security scores etc. It's all going along nicely.
- jollybean 5y ago
  I think they are past their Delta variant wave, and so it actually seems rational at this point as the other variants don't seem to be as virulent - at least not yet. The US currently has a COVID death / capita rate that is 40x worse than Norway so there will be some debate stateside yet. Let's all pray that it doesn't come back in force this winter under a new name.
  - peakaboo 5y ago
    I feel like you are not following the plot. The entire idea now is for covid to come back. Otherwise covid is over and we don't need health passes and subscription vaccinations.
    - jollybean 5y ago
      You've lost the plot. Your comments are irrational, cynical and conspiratorial and have no place here.
em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
I'm surprised only 67% of Norwegians are fully vaccinated and expected higher.
- jpt1 5y ago
  That number includes children
  - em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
    Still only 84.6% of adults are fully vaccinated. [1] [1] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-programme/coronavirus-vaccination---statistic/ https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p...
joemazerino 5y ago
A comparison of Sweden/Norway's mental health post-opening day vs North America would be interesting.
docmars 5y ago
I couldn't agree more with this, now dead, comment. Time to pay attention, folks! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28658113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28658113
- sul_tasto 5y ago
  what did it say? Your point is unclear.
  - docmars 5y ago
    It speaks for itself -- I won't dictate that for you. Think freely, unbounded by what you're asking me to prescribe.
    - jasonvorhe 5y ago
      "think freely" has become nothing but an empty vessel for whatever stupid point you someone wants to make. I'd love to know how many of these people have "Sapere Aude!!" in their social media bio. Almost all western countries didn't do enough to fight Covid and most of them didn't do a good of experimenting with the best approaches to limit its spread and their communication was often chaotic and incomplete, leading to even deeper mistrust in the institutions. If Norway wouldn't have had a vaccination strategy and they'd be lifting all restrictions I could see your point, but >65% of the population being vaccinated hardly calls for a comparison of an entire nation state with a loud minority that's questioning all science for the opportunity to get to LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them. Applause.
      - docmars 5y ago
        >LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them Heh, but does imprison "insurrectionists" without a fair trial who happened to take part in getting a free tour of the Capitol, hosted by none other than the police themselves! "Come right in!", they said. All the while, the same event leading to the death of an unarmed, non-violent protestor, said to be "far worse than the 9/11 attacks" according to the grand media spin -- the same corporate news networks who praised the 2020 summer of fires, mass theft, and the closure of local small businesses as a result of aimless civil disobedience at the expense of anyone who dare step in their way. I can keep vending irrefutable facts, but past this point, research on the behalf of a stranger unwilling may cost a little.
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Proven 5y ago
It's simple: the more powerful central bank, the longer lasting Covid-19 restrictions. For the most part American and European socialists intend to cling onto restrictions as long as they can - as long as that's in place there's no limit to spending and control.

46 points by lando2319 5y ago

I wonder how the authoritarians in western countries will explain this. Will people be pearl clutching and tweeting "People will die!" and calling people in nordic countries alt-right anti-vaxxers because they've moved on with life? I wonder if politicians in western countries will be willing to give up the power that covid gives them and let people get back to normal.

petre 5y ago
Probably when their economies are in ruin and people will hit the streets demanding their resignation. It already happens. Too bad they're led by anti vaxxers and right wing groups and are dismissed as such by news outlets. Lockdown measures in most democratic countries are anti constitutional anyway, not to mention anti democratic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protests_over_responses_to_t...
- iammisc 5y ago
  Why is it bad they're held by right wingers exactly?
  - petre 5y ago
    Because they get dismissed as nazis and anti vaxxers protesting against corona, move on, when in fact these people are exercising their rights of association and freedom of expression. If you have a bunch of crazies in a group, it gets labelled as the crazy group.
    - a0-prw 5y ago
      Yes, but my guess is the irrational crazies are also the ones who have the passion and balls to lead in potentially violent confrontations. Moderately dissatisfied people probably look at the work and risk associated with organizing and participating in protests and think nah.
      - petre 5y ago
        Yes, unfortunately that's the risk of protests, getting monopolized by crazies, or infiltrated by the political establishment with violent thugs and delegitimized. Moderately dissatisfied people with probably vote with right wing crazies, like it happened in Germany in 1929, ultimately leading to WW2 and the hollocaust.
hactually 5y ago
What's to explain? Their cited figures include children. They're at 90.2% of adults having first shot and 80% have had both. You can't claim the non fascists are pearl clutching while you're clutching at straws.

2143 5y ago

I've never been to Norway, but looking at the stats [1], isn't it a little too soon? Also, from what I understand, in Nordic countries people tend to stay alone. If this is true, is there a lower spread of covid-19 in such countries compared to more extroverted countries? [1] https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no https://covid19.who.int/region/euro/country/no

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
Covid is already endemic. Most of the world already had some variant. What exactly are we waiting for?
- peakaboo 5y ago
  We are waiting for a new variant of covid to be produced, so more booster shots are needed, so the pharmaceutical companies can continue to push for health passes into citizen passes with citizen security scores etc. It's all going along nicely.
jollybean 5y ago
I think they are past their Delta variant wave, and so it actually seems rational at this point as the other variants don't seem to be as virulent - at least not yet. The US currently has a COVID death / capita rate that is 40x worse than Norway so there will be some debate stateside yet. Let's all pray that it doesn't come back in force this winter under a new name.
- peakaboo 5y ago
  I feel like you are not following the plot. The entire idea now is for covid to come back. Otherwise covid is over and we don't need health passes and subscription vaccinations.
  - jollybean 5y ago
    You've lost the plot. Your comments are irrational, cynical and conspiratorial and have no place here.

em3rgent0rdr 5y ago

I'm surprised only 67% of Norwegians are fully vaccinated and expected higher.

jpt1 5y ago
That number includes children
- em3rgent0rdr 5y ago
  Still only 84.6% of adults are fully vaccinated. [1] [1] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-programme/coronavirus-vaccination---statistic/ https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p...

joemazerino 5y ago

A comparison of Sweden/Norway's mental health post-opening day vs North America would be interesting.

docmars 5y ago

I couldn't agree more with this, now dead, comment. Time to pay attention, folks! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28658113 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28658113

sul_tasto 5y ago
what did it say? Your point is unclear.
- docmars 5y ago
  It speaks for itself -- I won't dictate that for you. Think freely, unbounded by what you're asking me to prescribe.
  - jasonvorhe 5y ago
    "think freely" has become nothing but an empty vessel for whatever stupid point you someone wants to make. I'd love to know how many of these people have "Sapere Aude!!" in their social media bio. Almost all western countries didn't do enough to fight Covid and most of them didn't do a good of experimenting with the best approaches to limit its spread and their communication was often chaotic and incomplete, leading to even deeper mistrust in the institutions. If Norway wouldn't have had a vaccination strategy and they'd be lifting all restrictions I could see your point, but >65% of the population being vaccinated hardly calls for a comparison of an entire nation state with a loud minority that's questioning all science for the opportunity to get to LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them. Applause.
    - docmars 5y ago
      >LARP a rebellion against a state that won't kill or torture them Heh, but does imprison "insurrectionists" without a fair trial who happened to take part in getting a free tour of the Capitol, hosted by none other than the police themselves! "Come right in!", they said. All the while, the same event leading to the death of an unarmed, non-violent protestor, said to be "far worse than the 9/11 attacks" according to the grand media spin -- the same corporate news networks who praised the 2020 summer of fires, mass theft, and the closure of local small businesses as a result of aimless civil disobedience at the expense of anyone who dare step in their way. I can keep vending irrefutable facts, but past this point, research on the behalf of a stranger unwilling may cost a little.

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Proven 5y ago

It's simple: the more powerful central bank, the longer lasting Covid-19 restrictions. For the most part American and European socialists intend to cling onto restrictions as long as they can - as long as that's in place there's no limit to spending and control.