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Yes piracy is bad and all but as a college student, Napster was such as life saver. You could literally download any song you wanted to listen to. I also rememb

Yes piracy is bad and all but as a college student, Napster was such as life saver. You could literally download any song you wanted to listen to. I also remember another application called Kazaa that was popular as well (circa 2000-2002ish)

umvi 5y ago
And Limewire. I remember using Limewire to pirate Limewire Pro
- peterburkimsher 5y ago
  On Windows, Audiogalaxy. And on Mac, Poisoned! With support for FastTrack (Kazaa), Gnutella (Limewire), OpenFT, OpenNap, and eMule. But dial-up was too slow, so it was usually quicker to repair a friend's iPod and make a backup using iPodRip or Senuti.
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    I think audiogalaxy was the real pioneer in p2p. Audiogalaxy satellite, IIRC, ran an ftp server on your machine while at the same time indexed your files and sent the list to audiogalaxy, the web service. From there, anyone could search for mp3 and download from users currently on-line. It was the begining. It soon became very clear the problems of centralization for this purpose, decentralized networks thrived. Most proprietary implementation eventually died. The open ones, emule and gnutella2, although a small shadow of what they were, are still alive. In the meantime bittorrent evolved and the industry had to bow to streaming services. But, if anyone still wants to "fell the napster taste", the closest I know today is soulseek. There's a good client, called nicotine+, that works very well last time I tried.
    - indigodaddy 5y ago
      I remember Audiogalaxy, but cannot remember if it was before, after or basically concurrent with Napster..? Guess couldn’t have been before because Napster was the first right?
      - toast0 5y ago
        I used napster in junior college and audiogalaxy at my 4-year, so at least for me, Napster was first, but there was some time when both were around and usable.
      - marcodiego 5y ago
        Archive.org earliest reference I could find to audiogalaxy satellite is from august 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiogalaxy.com/satellite/ https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiog... While napster's from 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiogalaxy.com/satellite/ https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiog... So, I think you're right. Strangely wikipedia agrees with my first thought... Maybe someone should fix it. EDIT: audiogalaxy satellite came after napster, but audiogalaxy had a mp3 since at least may 1999.
      - atwebb 5y ago
        Almost the same time, Napster was slightly earlier, at least in adoption for me and my friends. Audiogalaxy was better but didn't catch on as much, that's when things really started fracturing.
    - imiric 5y ago
      Audiogalaxy felt magical to use at the time. Being able to leave the Satellite running at home, queue up songs to download from school via the web site, and listen to them by the time you're back home, was... incredible. There was truly nothing like it back then. It also had a much larger indie community than Napster. I discovered so much good music on Ag that I still listen today.
  - dmitryminkovsky 5y ago
    Last I checked Soulseek was still operating. Not just that, but I've gotten back into IRC recently and there are still channels out there where you can still get individual tracks with CTCP.
  - toast0 5y ago
    Audiogalaxy had a Linux server as well, IIRC. And it preferred transfers from nearby networks (assuming they were numbered contiguously anyway), which was nice for popular stuff so it wouldn't clog external connections in dorms. Also nice that it showed you all the different versions so you could get both versions when bands made a shame on you release.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
    It only just now occurs to me that Senuti is iTunes backwards.
firstplacelast 5y ago
The guy that made Kazaa went on to co-found Skype.
- twodave 5y ago
  Also this same guy managed to acquire the rights for Subspace from VIE. It was rebranded as Continuum. I started playing Subspace as a teenager on v1.34 and continued to enjoy it through college thanks in large part to Priit’s efforts. I still log in every year or so and many of the same folks still play. It wasn’t just saving a game, but a community.
iszomer 5y ago
Saw plenty of DirectConnect usage while attending college..
- johnebgd 5y ago
  Internet 2 backbone campuses with DC++ were an amazing mix.
marcodiego 5y ago
I don't like the use of the term "piracy". Piracy is taking a vessel. Common crimes committed by pirates are homicide, kidnapping, rape... It is all very different from copying a file to someone. Of course, "the industry" doesn't care equating one with another.
- bdcravens 5y ago
  The term "pirate radio" came from signals being broadcast from ships without a license. When they moved inland, the term stuck around.
- TheFreim 5y ago
  I don't like this sort of argument against using the term "piracy". Words change meaning over time, what you're saying is like saying that we shouldn't call people "nice" because it used to mean something different (formerly an insult, apparently). When I hear "piracy" having grown up with computers the first thing that comes to my mind is not pirates taking control or a vessel on the high seas, but rather what pops in to my head is the pirate bay and other sites I've known over the years.
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    I appreciate your comment and your sibling, but I still don't think it is the same thing.
- eythian 5y ago
  > Meaning "one who takes another's work without permission" first recorded 1701 From https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate It's not so much that words gain meanings, this word gained that meaning three hundred years ago.

umvi 5y ago

And Limewire. I remember using Limewire to pirate Limewire Pro

peterburkimsher 5y ago
On Windows, Audiogalaxy. And on Mac, Poisoned! With support for FastTrack (Kazaa), Gnutella (Limewire), OpenFT, OpenNap, and eMule. But dial-up was too slow, so it was usually quicker to repair a friend's iPod and make a backup using iPodRip or Senuti.
- marcodiego 5y ago
  I think audiogalaxy was the real pioneer in p2p. Audiogalaxy satellite, IIRC, ran an ftp server on your machine while at the same time indexed your files and sent the list to audiogalaxy, the web service. From there, anyone could search for mp3 and download from users currently on-line. It was the begining. It soon became very clear the problems of centralization for this purpose, decentralized networks thrived. Most proprietary implementation eventually died. The open ones, emule and gnutella2, although a small shadow of what they were, are still alive. In the meantime bittorrent evolved and the industry had to bow to streaming services. But, if anyone still wants to "fell the napster taste", the closest I know today is soulseek. There's a good client, called nicotine+, that works very well last time I tried.
  - indigodaddy 5y ago
    I remember Audiogalaxy, but cannot remember if it was before, after or basically concurrent with Napster..? Guess couldn’t have been before because Napster was the first right?
    - toast0 5y ago
      I used napster in junior college and audiogalaxy at my 4-year, so at least for me, Napster was first, but there was some time when both were around and usable.
    - marcodiego 5y ago
      Archive.org earliest reference I could find to audiogalaxy satellite is from august 2000: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiogalaxy.com/satellite/ https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiog... While napster's from 1999: https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiogalaxy.com/satellite/ https://web.archive.org/web/20000815233144/http://www.audiog... So, I think you're right. Strangely wikipedia agrees with my first thought... Maybe someone should fix it. EDIT: audiogalaxy satellite came after napster, but audiogalaxy had a mp3 since at least may 1999.
    - atwebb 5y ago
      Almost the same time, Napster was slightly earlier, at least in adoption for me and my friends. Audiogalaxy was better but didn't catch on as much, that's when things really started fracturing.
  - imiric 5y ago
    Audiogalaxy felt magical to use at the time. Being able to leave the Satellite running at home, queue up songs to download from school via the web site, and listen to them by the time you're back home, was... incredible. There was truly nothing like it back then. It also had a much larger indie community than Napster. I discovered so much good music on Ag that I still listen today.
- dmitryminkovsky 5y ago
  Last I checked Soulseek was still operating. Not just that, but I've gotten back into IRC recently and there are still channels out there where you can still get individual tracks with CTCP.
- toast0 5y ago
  Audiogalaxy had a Linux server as well, IIRC. And it preferred transfers from nearby networks (assuming they were numbered contiguously anyway), which was nice for popular stuff so it wouldn't clog external connections in dorms. Also nice that it showed you all the different versions so you could get both versions when bands made a shame on you release.
- TheSpiceIsLife 5y ago
  It only just now occurs to me that Senuti is iTunes backwards.

firstplacelast 5y ago

The guy that made Kazaa went on to co-found Skype.

twodave 5y ago
Also this same guy managed to acquire the rights for Subspace from VIE. It was rebranded as Continuum. I started playing Subspace as a teenager on v1.34 and continued to enjoy it through college thanks in large part to Priit’s efforts. I still log in every year or so and many of the same folks still play. It wasn’t just saving a game, but a community.

iszomer 5y ago

Saw plenty of DirectConnect usage while attending college..

johnebgd 5y ago
Internet 2 backbone campuses with DC++ were an amazing mix.

marcodiego 5y ago

I don't like the use of the term "piracy". Piracy is taking a vessel. Common crimes committed by pirates are homicide, kidnapping, rape... It is all very different from copying a file to someone. Of course, "the industry" doesn't care equating one with another.

bdcravens 5y ago
The term "pirate radio" came from signals being broadcast from ships without a license. When they moved inland, the term stuck around.
TheFreim 5y ago
I don't like this sort of argument against using the term "piracy". Words change meaning over time, what you're saying is like saying that we shouldn't call people "nice" because it used to mean something different (formerly an insult, apparently). When I hear "piracy" having grown up with computers the first thing that comes to my mind is not pirates taking control or a vessel on the high seas, but rather what pops in to my head is the pirate bay and other sites I've known over the years.
- marcodiego 5y ago
  I appreciate your comment and your sibling, but I still don't think it is the same thing.
eythian 5y ago
> Meaning "one who takes another's work without permission" first recorded 1701 From https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate https://www.etymonline.com/word/pirate It's not so much that words gain meanings, this word gained that meaning three hundred years ago.