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I grew up strongly religious, and I still believe strongly, but left the organization due to the people in it. I did have an atheist phase, but that depressed m

I grew up strongly religious, and I still believe strongly, but left the organization due to the people in it. I did have an atheist phase, but that depressed me so severely that I almost had no choice but to reconsider my belief. Without a religious structure, life has no set purpose. Sure, you can make a purpose for yourself, but it feels empty compared to a created, beautiful universe by a benevolent being who got lonely.

bmicraft 5y ago
As somebody that never felt they had some higher purpose I can't say that I feel any need for it. I can understand you feel like you lack something when lose a higher purpose you've had all your life, but that (for lack of better words) sound like you have developed a dependency on that purpose. What you describe is common for many people leaving religion, but it is also something that is overcome by most after (sometimes a long) time. Personally, my values of making the world a better place for future generations while having some fun seem to do.
- exporectomy 5y ago
  "never felt they had some higher purpose" ... "my values of making the world a better place for future generations". Sounds like you're now having an epiphany :)
  - bmicraft 5y ago
    What I ment so say was some "externally given purpose" that makes claims about being objective. I consider my values to be more of a general goal than a purpose in itself and make no claims about them being objectively good.
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      You still got caught in the rhetorical trap. You have a purpose, you just had to provide it for yourself, and it goes beyond altruism.
dartharva 5y ago
> Without a religious structure, life has no set purpose. Sure, you can make a purpose for yourself, but it feels empty compared to a created, beautiful universe by a benevolent being who got lonely. Sounds like you have simply convinced yourself about that being true, my guy
- rpmisms 5y ago
  I've lived it. Maybe religious thought is addictive.
hota_mazi 5y ago
> I did have an atheist phase, but that depressed me so severely that I almost had no choice but to reconsider my belief. Would you say then that you think it's more important for you to feel better than to believe true things? > Without a religious structure, life has no set purpose. Life has the purpose that you give it, there is no need for religion or deities for it. I feel empowered by the fact that I give my life the meaning that I want, as opposed to that purpose being imposed on me by some supernatural deity whose existence has never been demonstrated. And you know what? Even if at some point, the existence of such a deity is demonstrated, I will still choose to give my life my own purpose.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  > Would you say then that you think it's more important for you to feel better than to believe true things? Believing in a higher power and believing untrue things aren't codependent. I believe in science, and the power of man's reason. None of that contradicts my belief in a higher power.
  - hota_mazi 5y ago
    That belief is irrational, though, since there is no evidence that such a being exists.

bmicraft 5y ago

As somebody that never felt they had some higher purpose I can't say that I feel any need for it. I can understand you feel like you lack something when lose a higher purpose you've had all your life, but that (for lack of better words) sound like you have developed a dependency on that purpose. What you describe is common for many people leaving religion, but it is also something that is overcome by most after (sometimes a long) time. Personally, my values of making the world a better place for future generations while having some fun seem to do.

exporectomy 5y ago
"never felt they had some higher purpose" ... "my values of making the world a better place for future generations". Sounds like you're now having an epiphany :)
- bmicraft 5y ago
  What I ment so say was some "externally given purpose" that makes claims about being objective. I consider my values to be more of a general goal than a purpose in itself and make no claims about them being objectively good.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    You still got caught in the rhetorical trap. You have a purpose, you just had to provide it for yourself, and it goes beyond altruism.

dartharva 5y ago

> Without a religious structure, life has no set purpose. Sure, you can make a purpose for yourself, but it feels empty compared to a created, beautiful universe by a benevolent being who got lonely. Sounds like you have simply convinced yourself about that being true, my guy

rpmisms 5y ago
I've lived it. Maybe religious thought is addictive.

hota_mazi 5y ago

> I did have an atheist phase, but that depressed me so severely that I almost had no choice but to reconsider my belief. Would you say then that you think it's more important for you to feel better than to believe true things? > Without a religious structure, life has no set purpose. Life has the purpose that you give it, there is no need for religion or deities for it. I feel empowered by the fact that I give my life the meaning that I want, as opposed to that purpose being imposed on me by some supernatural deity whose existence has never been demonstrated. And you know what? Even if at some point, the existence of such a deity is demonstrated, I will still choose to give my life my own purpose.

rpmisms 5y ago
> Would you say then that you think it's more important for you to feel better than to believe true things? Believing in a higher power and believing untrue things aren't codependent. I believe in science, and the power of man's reason. None of that contradicts my belief in a higher power.
- hota_mazi 5y ago
  That belief is irrational, though, since there is no evidence that such a being exists.