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Well, if the uploader's using copyrighted recordings rather than a midi or performing the pieces themself or using a more liberally licensed recording, it is un

by 1915cb1f 5y ago

Well, if the uploader's using copyrighted recordings rather than a midi or performing the pieces themself or using a more liberally licensed recording, it is understandable. Bach's pieces may be free but musicians' performances of them aren't.

cunidev 5y ago
I am not sure of the example that this video pointed out in particular, but most others seem to have "Public Domain Compositions" of many sorts as the "music in the video" tagged by YouTube. While I agree that it lacks some context, it seems like smaller mislabeled clips were the source of this "violation" rather than the usage of whole copyrighted clips.
azalemeth 5y ago
Youtube is _filled_ with classical musicians getting shafted by this, from amateur ensembles to semi-pros and even some professional groups getting silenced or defunded by these algos. The trouble is that Bach played well sounds like...well, Bach. If you're not "the first owner" of the copyright (and a big music company), you tend to get screwed financially (and the big companies do a LOT of screwing). YT's algorithms are designed to detect "I took this whole TV show up a tone in pitch and put a fake pair of curtains on the front to evade content ID". The Bach will sound "the same" to a copyright algorithm. I only listen to classical music, and I've noticed that where YT used to once be a great source of legally-free brilliant performances (often with scores!) it's been going downhill and I've slowly been redirected to copyrighted Big Media recordings of old classics (which usually I do not prefer).
- someguydave 5y ago
  Yeah I am a classical music listener and I have noticed the same decline in availability in rare and interesting recordings on YT
klyrs 5y ago
My mom got bitten by this. After my dad died, she uploaded a video of him playing his violin with a baby on his lap. The music is in public domain, and it was demonstrably an original recording of a (sorry, dad) rank amateur. It got blocked so fast that my adult cousin, the baby in the video, couldn't watch it. This isn't understandable, it's ridiculous overreach.
- Minor49er 5y ago
  Why didn't your mom just put it on a flash drive or something?
  - rrdharan 5y ago
    You’re downvoted but I have a similar point / question.. there are many ways to share personal videos privately (text message, cloud photo sharing service etc.); YouTube is a terrible choice for this (despite some forays into that world long ago).
    - mbreese 5y ago
      Given the ubiquity of YouTube, that may have been the best option for uploading she had. Yes, “we” know there are many options, but when there is a bright, shiny, button that says “upload to YouTube” then why not use that? After all, that should also work for sharing videos with family members.
      - Minor49er 5y ago
        > when there is a bright, shiny, button that says “upload to YouTube” then why not use that? This was already answered by klyrs further up the thread: because the videos are subject to YouTube's policies which commonly involve altering or destroying parts of the media without warning.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    She used youtube so she could share it with family spread across six states and three countries. How's the flash drive gonna help?
euske 5y ago
I once got a copyright claim for a classic song (copyright expired) that I played with Timidity++ (both software and voice is free). YouTube is somehow good at detecting a similar-sounding tune that isn't the exact copy of the original. It's such a discouraging experience.
ekianjo 5y ago
> musicians' performances It's kind of nonsensical that performances based on a public domain piece of art can be copyrighted. That would be the similar to making the Linux kernel proprietary again just because you change the way the code is formatted. Also, let's not even pretend it's impossible to imitate someone's way of playing while still doing your own interpretation. How would algos know?!?
- LocalH 5y ago
  Agree. Recordings of compositions in the public domain should never be eligible for copyright protection at all.

cunidev 5y ago

I am not sure of the example that this video pointed out in particular, but most others seem to have "Public Domain Compositions" of many sorts as the "music in the video" tagged by YouTube. While I agree that it lacks some context, it seems like smaller mislabeled clips were the source of this "violation" rather than the usage of whole copyrighted clips.

azalemeth 5y ago

Youtube is _filled_ with classical musicians getting shafted by this, from amateur ensembles to semi-pros and even some professional groups getting silenced or defunded by these algos. The trouble is that Bach played well sounds like...well, Bach. If you're not "the first owner" of the copyright (and a big music company), you tend to get screwed financially (and the big companies do a LOT of screwing). YT's algorithms are designed to detect "I took this whole TV show up a tone in pitch and put a fake pair of curtains on the front to evade content ID". The Bach will sound "the same" to a copyright algorithm. I only listen to classical music, and I've noticed that where YT used to once be a great source of legally-free brilliant performances (often with scores!) it's been going downhill and I've slowly been redirected to copyrighted Big Media recordings of old classics (which usually I do not prefer).

someguydave 5y ago
Yeah I am a classical music listener and I have noticed the same decline in availability in rare and interesting recordings on YT

klyrs 5y ago

My mom got bitten by this. After my dad died, she uploaded a video of him playing his violin with a baby on his lap. The music is in public domain, and it was demonstrably an original recording of a (sorry, dad) rank amateur. It got blocked so fast that my adult cousin, the baby in the video, couldn't watch it. This isn't understandable, it's ridiculous overreach.

Minor49er 5y ago
Why didn't your mom just put it on a flash drive or something?
- rrdharan 5y ago
  You’re downvoted but I have a similar point / question.. there are many ways to share personal videos privately (text message, cloud photo sharing service etc.); YouTube is a terrible choice for this (despite some forays into that world long ago).
  - mbreese 5y ago
    Given the ubiquity of YouTube, that may have been the best option for uploading she had. Yes, “we” know there are many options, but when there is a bright, shiny, button that says “upload to YouTube” then why not use that? After all, that should also work for sharing videos with family members.
    - Minor49er 5y ago
      > when there is a bright, shiny, button that says “upload to YouTube” then why not use that? This was already answered by klyrs further up the thread: because the videos are subject to YouTube's policies which commonly involve altering or destroying parts of the media without warning.
- klyrs 5y ago
  She used youtube so she could share it with family spread across six states and three countries. How's the flash drive gonna help?

euske 5y ago

I once got a copyright claim for a classic song (copyright expired) that I played with Timidity++ (both software and voice is free). YouTube is somehow good at detecting a similar-sounding tune that isn't the exact copy of the original. It's such a discouraging experience.

ekianjo 5y ago

> musicians' performances It's kind of nonsensical that performances based on a public domain piece of art can be copyrighted. That would be the similar to making the Linux kernel proprietary again just because you change the way the code is formatted. Also, let's not even pretend it's impossible to imitate someone's way of playing while still doing your own interpretation. How would algos know?!?

LocalH 5y ago
Agree. Recordings of compositions in the public domain should never be eligible for copyright protection at all.