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I don't want to sound hypocritical, but I prefer good old linux distribution, without flatpaks, without strange immutability stuff. I almost like Fedora, I don'

I don't want to sound hypocritical, but I prefer good old linux distribution, without flatpaks, without strange immutability stuff. I almost like Fedora, I don't like specifically Workstation flavour, but I was able to build my Linux from Fedora Minimal by adding stuff that I need and it was pretty usable in the end. If they'll spend more time at flatpaks at expense of ordinary packages, I guess it's better to just switch to Arch.

peakaboo 5y ago
Which brings me to the question, how come Arch manages to not cause massive problems for users wiry the massive AUR that is even user maintained? I've been using Arch for like 7 years or something now and it just works, probably because of some very hard work by the maintainers.
- suby 5y ago
  To be frank, the answer is that it does cause problems for users. I've read countless anecdotes at this point from both camps, some claiming that Arch never breaks and some saying that updates have broken their install. I personally tried Arch in 2017 for a period of a few weeks, and updates broke my system twice (in different ways). I was able to fix both issues, but decided I didn't want to deal with that. I suspect the difference between the two camps is that those who claim that it doesn't break don't consider something they can fix a breakage.
  - juangacovas 5y ago
    I stopped worrying about breaking linux workstations and not-virtualized servers after discovering "Relax and Recover" (ReaR) which allows "Acronis-like" ISO rescue to previous "snapshots". I think it's nice to at least know you can. I wrote a guide to backup using sshfs with ReaR, here[1] [1] https://devblog.juangacovas.info/relax-and-recover-bare-metal-server-backup-restore-migrate-linux-guide-sshfs-centos https://devblog.juangacovas.info/relax-and-recover-bare-meta...
  - scns 5y ago
    Manjaro would deliver here. Arch based but the devs test packages for two weeks before adding them to their repos.
phendrenad2 5y ago
And unfortunately, now that Snaps/Flatpack/Nix are getting popular, the "old way" of having stable dependencies that work across the entire OS is less likely to work going forward. People will just break backward compatibility since "everyone just uses Snaps anyway". :(

peakaboo 5y ago

Which brings me to the question, how come Arch manages to not cause massive problems for users wiry the massive AUR that is even user maintained? I've been using Arch for like 7 years or something now and it just works, probably because of some very hard work by the maintainers.

suby 5y ago
To be frank, the answer is that it does cause problems for users. I've read countless anecdotes at this point from both camps, some claiming that Arch never breaks and some saying that updates have broken their install. I personally tried Arch in 2017 for a period of a few weeks, and updates broke my system twice (in different ways). I was able to fix both issues, but decided I didn't want to deal with that. I suspect the difference between the two camps is that those who claim that it doesn't break don't consider something they can fix a breakage.
- juangacovas 5y ago
  I stopped worrying about breaking linux workstations and not-virtualized servers after discovering "Relax and Recover" (ReaR) which allows "Acronis-like" ISO rescue to previous "snapshots". I think it's nice to at least know you can. I wrote a guide to backup using sshfs with ReaR, here[1] [1] https://devblog.juangacovas.info/relax-and-recover-bare-metal-server-backup-restore-migrate-linux-guide-sshfs-centos https://devblog.juangacovas.info/relax-and-recover-bare-meta...
- scns 5y ago
  Manjaro would deliver here. Arch based but the devs test packages for two weeks before adding them to their repos.

phendrenad2 5y ago

And unfortunately, now that Snaps/Flatpack/Nix are getting popular, the "old way" of having stable dependencies that work across the entire OS is less likely to work going forward. People will just break backward compatibility since "everyone just uses Snaps anyway". :(