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> you need to buy known good hardware What is this "known good hardware"? I was thinking of somehow getting my hands on the FrameWork laptop since everyone an

> you need to buy known good hardware What is this "known good hardware"? I was thinking of somehow getting my hands on the FrameWork laptop since everyone and their mother keep singing praises about it but going through its forums makes it clear that it also doesn't do suspend and resume reliably. I've already seen plenty of people reporting that their AMD laptops don't do suspend resume and break with every new kernel release. I assumed Intel would be better but reading about the same issue on FrameWork forums isn't encouraging at all.

fulafel 5y ago
One way to know is reports on the web like you are already reading. Business ThinkPads with integrated GPUs tend to have many good models, for one concrete direction if you haven't found a starting point yet. Asking your sales rep, certifications, trying a live USB stick of your preferred distro at a friend/coworker/shop/it-dept owned machine can work too.
Phileosopher 5y ago
In my experience, "known good hardware" is ">2-year-old hardware" when it comes to Linux. But, I'm a bit cheap, and I treat optimizing older tech as a challenge, so I think I've just declared myself both an outlier in general and a stereotypical Linux user.
- ayushnix 5y ago
  My AMD Thinkpad was released a little over 2 years ago and it still has serious flaws. And if the AMD gitlab bug tracker and bug reports on forums are anything to go by, I'm not optimistic about those flaws going away in the future. I have no idea if the situation is just as bad on Intel.
pxc 5y ago
> What is this "known good hardware"? Any hardware that ships with Linux, for a start. For another, anything whose quirks are documented on a popular community site (e.g., the Arch Linux Wiki). It's important to choose a distro release a little bit newer than the hardware. The Framework is brand new and doesn't ship with Linux, so I wouldn't expect it to be a trouble-free experience.

fulafel 5y ago

One way to know is reports on the web like you are already reading. Business ThinkPads with integrated GPUs tend to have many good models, for one concrete direction if you haven't found a starting point yet. Asking your sales rep, certifications, trying a live USB stick of your preferred distro at a friend/coworker/shop/it-dept owned machine can work too.

Phileosopher 5y ago

In my experience, "known good hardware" is ">2-year-old hardware" when it comes to Linux. But, I'm a bit cheap, and I treat optimizing older tech as a challenge, so I think I've just declared myself both an outlier in general and a stereotypical Linux user.

ayushnix 5y ago
My AMD Thinkpad was released a little over 2 years ago and it still has serious flaws. And if the AMD gitlab bug tracker and bug reports on forums are anything to go by, I'm not optimistic about those flaws going away in the future. I have no idea if the situation is just as bad on Intel.

pxc 5y ago

> What is this "known good hardware"? Any hardware that ships with Linux, for a start. For another, anything whose quirks are documented on a popular community site (e.g., the Arch Linux Wiki). It's important to choose a distro release a little bit newer than the hardware. The Framework is brand new and doesn't ship with Linux, so I wouldn't expect it to be a trouble-free experience.